re: Official AR-15 thread

what WAS a decent price per 223 round to pay in aprox. 500 rd. packages?

how much can yu reload vs buying for?

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A $700 rifle will perform and shoot as good as the most expensive Noveske. You decide how much money to waste on a name and rollmark when buying an AR.

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Is that so? I thought that the 10% higher carbon content and the presence of Vanadium in the barrel steels that are mil-Spec per MIL-B-11595E led to a finer grain structure and harder, more temperature resistant, long lasting barrels over their 4140 non mil-spec counterparts. While the cheaper steel isn't likely to "fail" during semi auto use, long before it reaches it's thermal threshold and ruptures, it will lose accuracy due to expansion or deformation. During sustained rapid-fire, a barrel made of mil-spec 4150 cmv steel will retain its shape and thus remain more accurate for a longer period of time than a 4140 barrel.

Even in the best steels, during casting, there could be pockets of alloys that are too large or too numerous within a given area such that it would lower the shear strength of the steel, making the part susceptible to failure under stress. There are tests that stress the parts and then inspect for subsurface defects. Some manufacturers batch test parts, while others test each part individually.

The most expensive rifles are made from better materials and often involve additional cold-working processes that create compressive stress and further strengthen parts. Parts are individually tested and inspected for defects as opposed to no testing at all or batch testing.

Since, admittedly, the differences between the "$700 rifle" and "the most expensive" will be found at the extremes oftemperature and stress, the question is will 99% of civilian ar-15 owners ever notice a difference. Which leads to the next point:

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You will never use it in a combat setting.

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I hate it when people say this. This can't be known. The history of mankind is one of war. Your statement is short-sighted and one born of a prolonged period of peace and ease. Given human nature, peace can never last. It has never, it will never. With the erosion of American dominance, it is but a matter of time.

olgoi, that all sounds fantastic and very scientific. Lets go to sherburne and shoot your Noveske against my RRA. I BET you can't tell the difference.

Most for sale gun ads list their gun as having under (usually by a lot) 1,000 rounds passed through the barrel. Your average person doesn't have the time, money or desire to shoot enough rounds to bring their rifle to the point you are talking about. Sure it all sounds good and is probably true. I could drive an armored car as my daily driver to be certain that I don't get car jacked and that if involved in a wreck I am likely to survive. But I don't because they are too expensive, the gas would be a bitch and IT'S NOT NECESSARY for me. You can spend a lot of money overdoing almost anything. You just have to ask is the juice worth the squeeze?

As far as using the rifle in a combat setting. Let's say you're right and Red Dawn happens. You walk outside with your AR and maybe get a mag off before the HIGHLY TRAINED MILITARY/MERCENARY/WAY HARDER THAN YOU motherfricker puts one in your head. You're not an operator, you're untrained, you're by yourself and you're probably not even a very good shot. shite the military doesn't even use Noveske/DanielDefense/(insert over-priced AR manufacturer). They use RRA, Bushmaster, and whoever else can fill a contract on the cheap. Just sayin...

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olgoi khorkhoi

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mother of god. That was poetry

This. Just because someone is/was not in the infantry does not mean that they cannot be quite proficient with firearms. For a few hundred bucks a day a civilian can train with SF operators like Travis Haley (Force Recon) and Larry Vickers (Delta)...hell Haley even comes to the New Orleans area to train every year (Nolatac) I believe. Plenty of guys take training very seriously, spending lots of cash sending thousands of rounds downrange in training every year.

I'm not trying to be a brand whore, but there definitely a difference between a Rock River and a Noveske. I do believe that Noveske is overkill for someone that doesn't plan to shoot it very much, but they are works of art.

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A more likely scenario is National Guard or Reservist. And there is a very large training gap separating those two groups.

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This was true a decade ago, but damn near every Guard and Reservist has at least 1 tour to Iraq or Afghanistan now, more than likely 3-4 if they've been in since before 9/11. I know a few Guards in the Bossier/Shreveport area with 2 tours to Iraq and 3 to Afghanistan. The training prior to those tours has gotten more intensive over the years.

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Against any other foe… game on.

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even nato?

I figure Barry ain't beyond slipping in bed, under the covers with NATO on our arms situation. I hope I'm wrong.

anyone know where i can find 20 rd FN FNAR mags? checked every place i know (like 2) and they are all out