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Who would the MSB select? Jeter vs Ripken


Ripken is seen as the Gold Standard for Shortstops during modern era and of course has the streak.
Here is how the 2 stack up

First Career Stats:

Jeter: 18 seasons .313/.382/.448/.830 OPS+ 117
2585 Games
255 Home Runs
3304 Hits
1868 Runs
1254 RBI
1039 Walks
348 stole bases
1743 strike outs

Ripken: 21 Seasons .276/.340/.447/.788 OPS+ 112
3001 Games Played
431 Home Runs
3184 Hits
1647 Runs
1695 RBI
1129 Walks
36 stolen bases
1305 strike outs

Ripken has 2 MVP awards and 1 top 10 finish outside of his MVP wins
Jeter has 0 MVP awards and 8 Top 10 finishes
Both won ROY

Jeter is 13 time All-Star
Ripken is 14 time All-Star at SS and 5 time All-Star at 3B

Jeter has 5 Gold Gloves
Ripken has 2 Gold Gloves
(not a good measure as most are based on reputation but still)

PostSeason Stats:
Jeter 158 games .308//374/.465
Ripken 28 Games .336/.411/.455


Before looking up the stats I would have said Ripken in a heart beat but stats are a lot closer than I believed.



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SouljaBreauxTellEm
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re: Who would the MSB select? Jeter vs Ripken


Slightly Ripken.

I first thought hard about Jeter until I did look over the stats. It's really what do you prefer.. the power guy or the guy who gets on base slightly more and can run somewhat.

I'm really impressed by how few Ripken struck out.






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re: Who would the MSB select? Jeter vs Ripken


I was suprised with Ripken's strike outs as well.

I'd probably go Jeter as he was more well rounded offensively.






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tduecen
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re: Who would the MSB select? Jeter vs Ripken


Jeter doesn't have the home runs but he actually leads in Slugging.... that actually surprised me because Ripken has more double but Jeter triples





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re: Who would the MSB select? Jeter vs Ripken


Give me the power hitting SS with the great glove





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He definitely brings a few more tools to the table.

It really depends on team and I usually value avg running defense a lot more.. but straight up not knowing anything else.. I'm slightly leaning towards the masher at SS. Plus he did have a couple of seasons of 200 hits and a few 300+ avg seasons as well. I'm not sure how many I'll have to check when I'm more awake. You can't go wrong with either.. and that streak was nuts.






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I factored in Jeter's offensive consistency throughout his entire career to pull it in Jeter's favor as well.

I think Ripken's numbers could have been even better than they are if he would have gotten an occasional day off. His production tailed off a good bit as opposed to Jeter's.



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I'd take the back end of Jeter's career of Ripken's, but I'd take the full career over Ripken. The big difference is defense. Ripken is one of the best defensive shortstops of all-time, on the tier below Ozzie and Belanger, and Jeter is pretty mediocre. He's got a great arm, but no one had a better arm than Cal. Cal also had great range.





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Jeter, im biased though.

2 outs tie game man on 2nd 9th inning, i want jeter up.






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Both great but Ill take Jeter. His numbers are great and he steps up big.

His backhand flip at the plate is one of baseballs all-time great plays imo.

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I'll preface this by saying I hate Derek Jeter.

That said, there is no way to not take him over Cal.

We all love Cal because of his grit, his moxie, his hardnosed every day approach to his profession; he was undoubtedly a superior shortstop in the field for the first 3/4ths of his career after being moved over from 3rd, but it's not like his defense holds up as an all-time great at the position.

People often forget just how often he turned in absolute clunkers of a season-- his career average would be closer to .260 if he didn't have 3.5 abberently high seasons where he hit a combined .312 ; his well regarded early career power fell off, not only in HR, but in doubles power, to the point it's pretty well indistinguishable from Jeter's advanced power in terms of SLG and OPS.


When you evaluate it fully, the only areas where Ripken looks to be ahead of Jeter are in cumulative HR power, overall career defense, and durability. It's not like Jeter is a terrible slouch in these areas, but Ripken does win them.

Ripken is the guy I'd rather my son emulate, in terms of attitude and approach to the game-- but I would undoubtedly prefer he played to a Jeter standard, over Ripken's.







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but it's not like his defense holds up as an all-time great at the position.


It really does, though. Cal was rather unappreciated defensively during his career, but he was a great defensive player. Total Zone Runs measures the number of outs you created above replacement. Cal ranks third all time behind the two obvious guys (Ozzie and Belanger). Jeter hovers around replacement value. I do think defensive metrics underrate Jeter, which show him to be perhaps the worst defensive shortstop in baseball history, but he was not a good defensive player. He just didn't get to that many balls. Cal did. He's top ten all-time in shortstop assists.

Jeter's about 600 behind in 250 more games at short. It's not close. Ripken made outs. Lots of them. Jeter didn't.

I'd rate Cal as the third greatest defensive shortstop ever, though I wouldn't kick up too much of a fuss if you put Aparacio ahead of him. That's the difference in the players.






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Slightly Jeter.

He seemed more clutch - especially in the post-season.

(Maybe stats say he wasn't...but it felt like he always came through with a big hit.)






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re: Who would the MSB select? Jeter vs Ripken


Ripken





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(Maybe stats say he wasn't...but it felt like he always came through with a big hit.)



Cal has 120 postseason plate appearances. He went 3-18 in his only World Series app. .425 OPS



Jester has over 700 postseason plate app. Much harder to sustain the numbers he has compared to the 120 plate app Ripken had.

Jeter is a .321 career hitter in World Series. With an .832 OPS






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re: Who would the MSB select? Jeter vs Ripken


Ripken. Gotta think Cal would have slightly better offensive numbers if you put him in those Yankee line-ups.





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He went 3-18 in his only World Series app. .425 OPS

which the Orioles won in 5 games. WOOOOOOO!!!!

But way to cherry pick. Cal hit 336/411/455 in those 120 PA's and hit .400 in three different postseason series.

Jeter's career postseason line is 308/374/465. Which, you might notice, is less than Cal's numbers. But Jeter is an excellent postseason player.






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re: Who would the MSB select? Jeter vs Ripken


I posted postseason numbers.... Jeter has played a full season worth of playoff games and Ripken 28 games





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Who would the MSB select? Jeter vs Ripken


JETER!!!!!!!!! I love Cal and the way he handled himself his whole career. A GREAT PLAYER. BUT


NOT the WINNER Jeter is. If I was starting a team...... Jeter would be my 1st [non-pitcher] I would take.






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hit .400 in three different postseason series.


4 games each time

As I said, jeter has a full season worth of postseason Plate appearances. 158 games

Ripken has 28 games worth

Ripken's numbers are a notch better. But sample size is much larger in favor of Jeter, which makes his numbers more impressive to me






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