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re: Is A&M's offense this season = Big 12 offense?
Posted on 12/10/12 at 2:48 pm to Baloo
Posted on 12/10/12 at 2:48 pm to Baloo
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Florida wasn't suiccessful? Neither was Malzahn at Auburn? Or Arkansas? We're now saying that LSU is one of the "successful" offenses in the SEC? Really?
There are exceptions to the rule. I should've said Most successful teams. But the teams you just mentioned had once in a generation type players with Newton and Tebow at QB. One can argue Manziel is/will be like that for A&M. But it's a type of offense traditionally used and successful in the Big 12.
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Also, most Big 12 QB's aren't as good as you think they are, witnessed by how they do in the NFL as a group.
This statement is stupid. The Big 12 currently has more starting QB's in the NFL than the SEC.
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Posted on 12/10/12 at 2:51 pm to Boomdat
Newton
Cutler
Staaford
Cutler
Staaford
Posted on 12/10/12 at 2:53 pm to Lester Earl
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Newton
Cutler
Staaford
Bradford
Weeden
Griffin
Tannehill
Freeman
Gabbert
Posted on 12/10/12 at 2:59 pm to Ostrich
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The Big 12 currently has more starting QB's in the NFL than the SEC.
More quantity than quality
The worse passer ratings in the league belong to gabbert tannehill and weeden
Big 12 QBs combined record of 31-46-1
Posted on 12/10/12 at 3:01 pm to Lester Earl
That's more of a product of the teams they were drafted to. The Browns, Jaguars and Dolphins have sucked for decades. To be a starter in the NFL means you are in the top 32 at your profession in the world.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 3:06 pm to Boomdat
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How many SEC QB's starting in the league not named Manning.
You really want to go there?
Matt Stafford (Georgia) - Detroit
Jay Cutler (Vanderbilt) - Chicago
Cam Newton (Auburn) - Carolina
If you include the Mannings, that's 5 out of 32 teams (15.6%)
In contrast,
PAC 12 - 5/32 (15.6%)
B1G - 4/32 (12.5%)
ACC - 4/32 (12/5%)
Big 12 - 5/32 (15.6%)
Other FBS - 4/32 (12.5%)
FCS/IVY - 4/32 (12.5%)
Posted on 12/10/12 at 3:07 pm to Ostrich
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Gabbert
Wrong. Chad Henne is the starter for Jacksonville. Take one away from the Big 12 column and add one to the Big Ten.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 3:07 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
eta: Didn't know Gabbert was benched...
So as is, SEC & Big 12 are tied with 5 QB's each. Clearly, the Big 12 can't send QB's to the next level.
Add to that, the Big 12 has more Heisman winners
So as is, SEC & Big 12 are tied with 5 QB's each. Clearly, the Big 12 can't send QB's to the next level.
Add to that, the Big 12 has more Heisman winners
This post was edited on 12/10/12 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 12/10/12 at 3:08 pm to Ostrich
Most of those guys are not paying good football. Sorry that's just the facts. You can say big 12 has +1 starter over SEC but when 4 of the 6 are irrelevant there isn't much to argue
Posted on 12/10/12 at 3:08 pm to Ostrich
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Wrong. 6/32
Which 6 would those be?
I count Griffin, Tannehill, Weeden, Bradford, and Freeman.
Chad Henne is the starter for the Jaguars.
Proof using your own link
This post was edited on 12/10/12 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 12/10/12 at 3:15 pm to Lester Earl
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Most of those guys are not paying good football. Sorry that's just the facts. You can say big 12 has +1 starter over SEC but when 4 of the 6 are irrelevant there isn't much to argue
Can't help it when literally all of them are drafted to terrible franchises with no talent around them.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 3:18 pm to guedeaux
There is no Big 12 offense. There is only Big 12 defense. And it is piss poor.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 3:21 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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If you include the Mannings, that's 5 out of 32 teams (15.6%)
In contrast,
PAC 12 - 5/32 (15.6%)
B1G - 4/32 (12.5%)
ACC - 4/32 (12/5%)
Big 12 - 5/32 (15.6%)
Other FBS - 4/32 (12.5%)
FCS/IVY - 4/32 (12.5%)
Which, shockingly, shows that each conference is about even. What a stunning development. I go back to my original point - there is no "Big 12" offense. There are teams with good and bad offenses in every conference. The conference chest beating is just silly.
Well, except for the fact all your national titles belong to us.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 3:27 pm to Baloo
I'm rooting for Notre Dame.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 3:40 pm to guedeaux
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or was this dude just a typical Texas alumnus douche nozzle?
this is it. a&m's offense is johnny friggin' football. the dude is unbelievable. w/o him, a&m goes 8-4 at best this year. the "big 12" offense has been made up to preserve their stupid pride. yes, okie lite, wvu and tt ran a pretty true spread but they really have no choice. a&m has some OL and RB's that don't need the run and shoot offense to be successful.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 3:54 pm to alajones
30+ point games given up by SEC defenses: 49 (a combined 17 given up by bowl-eligible teams)
Alabama - 0 (12-1)
Arkansas - 7 (4-8)
Auburn - 4 (3-9)
Florida - 0 (11-1)
Georgia - 3 (11-2)
Kentucky - 8 (2-10)
LSU - 1 (10-2)
Mississippi - 5 (6-6)
Mississippi State - 5 (8-4)
Missouri - 5 (5-7)
South Carolina - 2 (10-2)
Tennessee - 8 (5-7)
Texas A&M - 1 (10-2)
30+ points given up by Big 12 defenses: 58 (51 by bowl-eligible teams)
Baylor - 8 (7-5)
Iowa State - 4 (6-6)
Kansas - 7 (1-11)
Kansas State - 2 (11-1)
Oklahoma - 4 (10-2)
Oklahoma State - 6 (7-5)
TCU - 4 (7-5)
Texas - 6 (8-4)
Texas Tech - 7 (7-5)
West Virginia - 8 (7-5)
Alabama - 0 (12-1)
Arkansas - 7 (4-8)
Auburn - 4 (3-9)
Florida - 0 (11-1)
Georgia - 3 (11-2)
Kentucky - 8 (2-10)
LSU - 1 (10-2)
Mississippi - 5 (6-6)
Mississippi State - 5 (8-4)
Missouri - 5 (5-7)
South Carolina - 2 (10-2)
Tennessee - 8 (5-7)
Texas A&M - 1 (10-2)
30+ points given up by Big 12 defenses: 58 (51 by bowl-eligible teams)
Baylor - 8 (7-5)
Iowa State - 4 (6-6)
Kansas - 7 (1-11)
Kansas State - 2 (11-1)
Oklahoma - 4 (10-2)
Oklahoma State - 6 (7-5)
TCU - 4 (7-5)
Texas - 6 (8-4)
Texas Tech - 7 (7-5)
West Virginia - 8 (7-5)
This post was edited on 12/10/12 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 12/10/12 at 3:57 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
With 2 less teams also.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 3:58 pm to alajones
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With 2 less teams also.
four. SEC has 14 now.
Posted on 12/10/12 at 4:08 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Oh yeah, oops. 
Posted on 12/10/12 at 4:59 pm to guedeaux
It = Sumlin Offense
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