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How accurate do you think Titanic was to the actual events that took place?
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:34 pm
In regards to the sinking of the ship, actions of the passengers, ect. Watched most of Titanic the other night and it just got me thinking about this so I did a good bit of reading.
During the movie I kept thinking ok the lights should have went out by now. But I read that the lights went out about 30 seconds before the boat snapped. The movie was spot on with that.
In the movie Thomas Andrews (the architect), tells a guy loading the life boats that he saw a ship go off with 12 people and then one with about 40 people. So I figured that was dramatization on the filmakers part. Nope. The exact same thing happened, those numbers were spot on with the two fewest loaded life boats.
The Captain and Thomas Andrews went down with the ship, even though both were two people that could have gotten on a lifeboat.
They were spot on on how the ship hit the iceberg and what kind it was. All of this being obvious and stuff Cameron had to do if he wanted to make this legit.
The captain called Andrews to examine the damage, in the movie Andrews broke the news that it was going to sink and it would sink in about an hour. He actually told the captain that it was going to be an hour and a half to two hours. The ship took three to sink.
Only one boat came back.
J.J. Astor was the richest man in the world and they didn't mention him by name but they did show the rich man willing to go down in style which was probably insinuating Astor.
There are a bunch of things I can't think of, but are there any things you know the movie got right or wrong? Things you were impressed by.
During the movie I kept thinking ok the lights should have went out by now. But I read that the lights went out about 30 seconds before the boat snapped. The movie was spot on with that.
In the movie Thomas Andrews (the architect), tells a guy loading the life boats that he saw a ship go off with 12 people and then one with about 40 people. So I figured that was dramatization on the filmakers part. Nope. The exact same thing happened, those numbers were spot on with the two fewest loaded life boats.
The Captain and Thomas Andrews went down with the ship, even though both were two people that could have gotten on a lifeboat.
They were spot on on how the ship hit the iceberg and what kind it was. All of this being obvious and stuff Cameron had to do if he wanted to make this legit.
The captain called Andrews to examine the damage, in the movie Andrews broke the news that it was going to sink and it would sink in about an hour. He actually told the captain that it was going to be an hour and a half to two hours. The ship took three to sink.
Only one boat came back.
J.J. Astor was the richest man in the world and they didn't mention him by name but they did show the rich man willing to go down in style which was probably insinuating Astor.
There are a bunch of things I can't think of, but are there any things you know the movie got right or wrong? Things you were impressed by.
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Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:36 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I find it hard to believe the band kept playing.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:38 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Cameron made a point to keep it as accurate as possible.
On astronomer joked that the star field when Rose was on the door was wrong for a polar 1912 sky (they were random dots).
In the rerelease the past year, they fixed it with the actual star field
The particulars, probably not.
Quoted exchanges such as when Ismay finds out about the iceberg for instance.
The generals, yes
On astronomer joked that the star field when Rose was on the door was wrong for a polar 1912 sky (they were random dots).
In the rerelease the past year, they fixed it with the actual star field
The particulars, probably not.
Quoted exchanges such as when Ismay finds out about the iceberg for instance.
The generals, yes
This post was edited on 12/4/12 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:39 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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I find it hard to believe the band kept playing.
This is true. I remember reading that when the movine came out.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:39 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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J.J. Astor was the richest man in the world and they didn't mention him by name but they did show the rich man willing to go down in style which was probably insinuating Astor.
Yeah they did. We saw J.J. Astor several times. He had a few lines and was featured heavily during the flooding of the Grand Staircase.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:40 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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I find it hard to believe the band kept playing.
They played until the very end according to eyewitness accounts but it could be very possible that this was embellished.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:41 pm to Byron Bojangles III
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:42 pm to Siderophore
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The particulars, probably not.
Quoted exchanges such as when Ismay finds out about the iceberg for instance.
That was actually said, too. When Andrews broke the news to the officers and Ismay, one of them was quoted as saying: "This ship can't sink! It's unsinkable!" To which Andrews replied, "She's made of iron, sir. She can and will. It's a mathematical certainty."
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:44 pm to Siderophore
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:45 pm to RollTide1987
I know SOME of it is.
For instance, the conversation between the lookout and the bridge is verbatim.
But the jab to Ismay about him getting his headlines?
Probably not.
The sub arc of ignoring the ice warning and lighting extra boilers for speed for the sake of headlines is possible, but we don't know if true.
For instance, the conversation between the lookout and the bridge is verbatim.
But the jab to Ismay about him getting his headlines?
Probably not.
The sub arc of ignoring the ice warning and lighting extra boilers for speed for the sake of headlines is possible, but we don't know if true.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:46 pm to iwyLSUiwy
FYI... J.J. Astor was a lieutenant colonel in the Spanish-American War. Just found that interesting...
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:46 pm to RollTide1987
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Yeah they did. We saw J.J. Astor several times. He had a few lines and was featured heavily during the flooding of the Grand Staircase.
Featured heavily during the flooding of the staircase? It was like one line if I remember "if I'm going down them we're going to go out in style" or something of that nature. I don't see how that is being heavily featured. Did they mention him by name?
Also, as I've mentioned before, most of your responses feel like they are pulled from some USA Today article.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:49 pm to iwyLSUiwy
You can bet all the fat girls got laid once they knew Titanic was sinking. So they got that part right too.
This post was edited on 12/4/12 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:51 pm to Tyghas
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FYI... J.J. Astor was a lieutenant colonel in the Spanish-American War. Just found that interesting...
That is cool. I read too that one of the richest persons to die on the ship was an heir to Downton Abbey. I thought that was awesome seeing as I friggin love that show.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:56 pm to iwyLSUiwy
In real life Jack actually drew Rose with crayons.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:58 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Featured heavily during the flooding of the staircase? It was like one line if I remember "if I'm going down them we're going to go out in style" or something of that nature. I don't see how that is being heavily featured. Did they mention him by name?
You're getting Astor and Benjamin Guggenheim mixed up. It was Guggenheim who said, "We are dressed in our best and are prepared to go down as gentlemen - but we would like a brandy!" That exchange reportedly happened.
John Jacob Astor was featured in the First Class dinner that Jack attended with Rose and her family. Astor came up and said hello to Molly and Rose before being introduced to Jack. He's the one who asked of Jack: "Are you of the Boston Dawsons?"
It was Astor, standing at the top of the stairwell, on which the camera was focused when the dome broke and all of that water flooded in.
This post was edited on 12/4/12 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 12/4/12 at 5:01 pm to hg
Posted on 12/4/12 at 5:08 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I think they actually did mention Astor by name, earlier when Rose was with Jack in the dining room, pointing out different people and who they were. I remember her saying something about him and his new, very young, pregnant wife.
I have also heard that Cameron did try to be as accurate as possible. My mother was a volunteer speaker and docent for the Wonders Series in Memphis (a series of museum exhibits), which included a huge Titanic exhibit. She told me that James Cameron along with some of the other crew came through the exhibit for a private tour and he asked a ton of questions. I'm not certain if the movie had already been finished by the time the exhibit occurred, so I don't know if he actually used any of the info, but it was still pretty neat that he was interested in the actual historic facts. (I'm pretty sure the Titanic exhibit was in Memphis the same year the movie came out.)
One thing I saw that was inaccurate was that there were 4 working smokestacks in the movie version. From what I've read, I think only 3 really worked, and they added the forth one to make the ship look larger and even more grand.
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How accurate do you think Titanic was to the actual events that took place?
I have also heard that Cameron did try to be as accurate as possible. My mother was a volunteer speaker and docent for the Wonders Series in Memphis (a series of museum exhibits), which included a huge Titanic exhibit. She told me that James Cameron along with some of the other crew came through the exhibit for a private tour and he asked a ton of questions. I'm not certain if the movie had already been finished by the time the exhibit occurred, so I don't know if he actually used any of the info, but it was still pretty neat that he was interested in the actual historic facts. (I'm pretty sure the Titanic exhibit was in Memphis the same year the movie came out.)
One thing I saw that was inaccurate was that there were 4 working smokestacks in the movie version. From what I've read, I think only 3 really worked, and they added the forth one to make the ship look larger and even more grand.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 5:24 pm to Dorothy
Actually no, they accurate with it.
It wasn't a completely nonfunctional stack....it just didn't vent exhaust from the boilers.
It did vent however, the engineering spaces, and had multiple steam relieve valves in the stack.
That emission plus back flow from the other stacks makes it look like it is as bad.
It wasn't a completely nonfunctional stack....it just didn't vent exhaust from the boilers.
It did vent however, the engineering spaces, and had multiple steam relieve valves in the stack.
That emission plus back flow from the other stacks makes it look like it is as bad.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 5:33 pm to RollTide1987
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You're getting Astor and Benjamin Guggenheim mixed up. It was Guggenheim who said, "We are dressed in our best and are prepared to go down as gentlemen - but we would like a brandy!" That exchange reportedly happened.
Sure was. Just looked up the cast list. They do have the character you mentioned as Astor. Whether they mentioned him by name or not, that's who he was intended to be.
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