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Another SEC scheduling conspiracy post—with facts
Posted on 12/4/12 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 12/4/12 at 1:38 pm
Something similar may have been posted, but I didn’t see it. I looked at the pattern of cross divisional scheduling and looked at what happened in 2012 and 2013. As a recap, until expansion in 2012, SEC teams play their division foes, one permanent rival and two teams from the opposite division. The pattern has been consistent for some time.
With the addition of A&M and Mizzou, things obviously had to change and there were nearly infinite ways that could happen and it was done on a year to year basis.
In defense of the SEC, clearly many teams’ patterns had to be broken. If things stayed as they were, 2012 and 2013 would repeat the 2007 and 2008 patterns, leaving a total of 3 cross-division opponents per team between the two years, with one “prime” opponent which under the original patter would have been played twice.
So, basically three teams continued the ’07, ’08 pattern: LSU, Auburn, and Arkansas. Five teams played two of the three patterned opponents in some order, including their “prime” opponent (the team they were scheduled to play in both ’12 and ’13 under original pattern): Kentucky, MSU, USC, UT, and Georgia.
To this point it makes sense mathematically, however, the SEC clearly had discretion. What stands out to me, is the matchups they chose to do away with: GEORGIA/ALABAMA and Florida/Ole Miss. Who cares about UF/UM.
The 2012 schedule was completed after expansion in calendar year 2012 and clearly, Alabama and Georgia would be heavily favored going into the season. The SEC chose to do away with this matchup, but preserved, for example, UK/Arkansas, Vandy/Auburn, MSU/UT, and LSU/USC. At the time the schedule was made, it was obvious the top two contenders in West were LSU & Bama, while in the East it was UGA & USC. They kept the USC/LSU game.
Clearly, they wanted the two noobs to play stiff cross-divisional opponents (UF & Bama) and maybe that was their motivation, if we’re speculating. But why not stick Mizzou with Arkansas and A&M?
BOTTOM LINE, I have no idea, but’s awfully
interesting to see the lengths the SEC has gone to make thing easy on Alabama and to a lesser extent UGA, Auburn, and UT as well historically. Bama got Mizzou then followed the pattern with UK. UGA played Ole Miss (projected to be awful) for the second straight year but did get LSU in ’13.
Cliff Notes: SEC could have scheduled many ways but chose to break pattern where Bama was scheduled to play Georgia, arguably the two favorites in each division. They continued the pattern that had LSU playing USC, also two clear favorites.
With the addition of A&M and Mizzou, things obviously had to change and there were nearly infinite ways that could happen and it was done on a year to year basis.
In defense of the SEC, clearly many teams’ patterns had to be broken. If things stayed as they were, 2012 and 2013 would repeat the 2007 and 2008 patterns, leaving a total of 3 cross-division opponents per team between the two years, with one “prime” opponent which under the original patter would have been played twice.
So, basically three teams continued the ’07, ’08 pattern: LSU, Auburn, and Arkansas. Five teams played two of the three patterned opponents in some order, including their “prime” opponent (the team they were scheduled to play in both ’12 and ’13 under original pattern): Kentucky, MSU, USC, UT, and Georgia.
To this point it makes sense mathematically, however, the SEC clearly had discretion. What stands out to me, is the matchups they chose to do away with: GEORGIA/ALABAMA and Florida/Ole Miss. Who cares about UF/UM.
The 2012 schedule was completed after expansion in calendar year 2012 and clearly, Alabama and Georgia would be heavily favored going into the season. The SEC chose to do away with this matchup, but preserved, for example, UK/Arkansas, Vandy/Auburn, MSU/UT, and LSU/USC. At the time the schedule was made, it was obvious the top two contenders in West were LSU & Bama, while in the East it was UGA & USC. They kept the USC/LSU game.
Clearly, they wanted the two noobs to play stiff cross-divisional opponents (UF & Bama) and maybe that was their motivation, if we’re speculating. But why not stick Mizzou with Arkansas and A&M?
BOTTOM LINE, I have no idea, but’s awfully
interesting to see the lengths the SEC has gone to make thing easy on Alabama and to a lesser extent UGA, Auburn, and UT as well historically. Bama got Mizzou then followed the pattern with UK. UGA played Ole Miss (projected to be awful) for the second straight year but did get LSU in ’13.
Cliff Notes: SEC could have scheduled many ways but chose to break pattern where Bama was scheduled to play Georgia, arguably the two favorites in each division. They continued the pattern that had LSU playing USC, also two clear favorites.
This post was edited on 12/4/12 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 12/4/12 at 1:41 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
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BOTTOM LINE, I have no idea
Posted on 12/4/12 at 1:42 pm to TDTGodfather
I can't lie, I don't know for sure!
Posted on 12/4/12 at 1:49 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
honestly, if you look at both divisions' final four (projected- UGA UF and Bama LSU) you start to play the odds. which two teams had returning starting QB's in more stable situations?? UGA and Bama.
thus those teams were more likely to push for a championship.
thus those teams were more likely to push for a championship.
This post was edited on 12/4/12 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 12/4/12 at 1:50 pm to TDTGodfather
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honestly, if you look at both divisions' final four (projected- UGA UF and Bama LSU) you start to play the odds. which two teams had returning starting QB's in more stable situations?? championship.
UGA and Bama.
Yes, and by coincidence, USC/LSU and UGA/Bama were scheduled under the old pattern. Shocking which matchup they did away with.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 1:52 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
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Yes, and by coincidence, USC/LSU and UGA/Bama were scheduled under the old pattern. Shocking which matchup they did away with.
exactly, there's your bottom line.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 2:00 pm to TDTGodfather
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exactly, there's your bottom line.
Indeed. I don't know if was mentioned in the the many other threads, but I think it's as good a sign as there is that they were protecting Bama. Many seem to think the UK game was totally random, it's not, but the omitting UGA is suspicious.
You can't prove it, but it follows a big pattern of help.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 2:05 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
I wonder what you would call all of the SEC teams that scheduled an open date before playing Alabama. No other SEC team has half the number.
As long as we are talking conspiracies.
As long as we are talking conspiracies.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 2:06 pm to Swill
I don't know. Look it up. No comment on the original post?
Posted on 12/4/12 at 2:10 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
I still can't get over the intradivisional home and away games.
12 teams played 3 home division games and 3 away games.
Texas A&M played 2 home division games and 4 away games.
Alabama played 4 home division games and 2 away division games.
The original "leaked" schedule had Alabama opening conference play at A&M. Somehow, magically, when the official schedule came out, that game was moved to Tuscaloosa later in the year.
12 teams played 3 home division games and 3 away games.
Texas A&M played 2 home division games and 4 away games.
Alabama played 4 home division games and 2 away division games.
The original "leaked" schedule had Alabama opening conference play at A&M. Somehow, magically, when the official schedule came out, that game was moved to Tuscaloosa later in the year.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 2:12 pm to Swill
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I wonder what you would call all of the SEC teams that scheduled an open date before playing Alabama. No other SEC team has half the number. As long as we are talking conspiracies.
Which was swiftly fixed.....by the way.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 2:16 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
I'm sure with all of this attention, he will have to explain it. We'll see if it makes sense.
Too many black helicopters here to jump to conclusions.
Too many black helicopters here to jump to conclusions.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 2:18 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
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with facts
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BOTTOM LINE, I have no idea
The Rant in a nutshell
Posted on 12/4/12 at 2:44 pm to Swill
Yes..I agree, seems there was a pattern developing with open dates which put bama at a DISADVANTAGE. What happened next was....bama complained and it was CORRECTED the FOLLOWING season !
Now to the original posters point...was bama given a favorable schedule/East opponent for not only the 2012 but ALSO the 2013 "bridge schedules" ?
Has this been CORRECTED yet ? IF no-one were to complain, does that mean bamas other East opponent in 2014 would prob. be Vandy ????
Would love to hear from a bama fan on this little discrepancy along with...let's see, ZERO bama holding calls in all of 2009, "Womack/bama grad in charge of scheduling, Shaw/bama grad in charge of refs.....I could go on and on and on..
Beginning to see a pattern here ? Can ya'll understand our suspicions now ?????
Now to the original posters point...was bama given a favorable schedule/East opponent for not only the 2012 but ALSO the 2013 "bridge schedules" ?
Has this been CORRECTED yet ? IF no-one were to complain, does that mean bamas other East opponent in 2014 would prob. be Vandy ????
Would love to hear from a bama fan on this little discrepancy along with...let's see, ZERO bama holding calls in all of 2009, "Womack/bama grad in charge of scheduling, Shaw/bama grad in charge of refs.....I could go on and on and on..
Beginning to see a pattern here ? Can ya'll understand our suspicions now ?????
Posted on 12/4/12 at 2:54 pm to tickfawtiger
Bama's pattern is the following:
vs. UF, @ USC
vs. Vandy, @UF
vs. UGA, @Vandy
vs. UK, @Uga
vs. USC, @UK
had no expansion taken place the pattern would have been:
2012: vs. UGA, @Vandy
2013: vs. UK, @Uga
Like I said, something has to give, I get it.Scheduling is a zero-sum game. But this is clearly a big game to take off the schedule.
If you're talking "fair" it should mean playing a team, any team with some degree of frequency. There were two matchups that were essenstially done away with: Bama/Uga and Ole Miss/UF. I just don't think it was a coincidence that it happened to be Bama/UGa. I don't know for sure, but preserving UK/Arkansas was apparently more important.
vs. UF, @ USC
vs. Vandy, @UF
vs. UGA, @Vandy
vs. UK, @Uga
vs. USC, @UK
had no expansion taken place the pattern would have been:
2012: vs. UGA, @Vandy
2013: vs. UK, @Uga
Like I said, something has to give, I get it.Scheduling is a zero-sum game. But this is clearly a big game to take off the schedule.
If you're talking "fair" it should mean playing a team, any team with some degree of frequency. There were two matchups that were essenstially done away with: Bama/Uga and Ole Miss/UF. I just don't think it was a coincidence that it happened to be Bama/UGa. I don't know for sure, but preserving UK/Arkansas was apparently more important.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 3:29 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
Fact: it was purposeful manipulation of the schedule to which Bama and UGA were the benefactors.
Fact: the SEC stands to make or lose a lot of BCS money depending on who does or who doesn't make it to BCS bowl games.
Fact: if the UGA/Bama game had been played as originally scheduled one of those teams would not have been playing in the SECCG.
Fact: the guy responsible for creating the "bridge" schedule is indeed a Bama grad and life long fan of the Alabama Crimson Tide.
Fact: the SEC stands to make or lose a lot of BCS money depending on who does or who doesn't make it to BCS bowl games.
Fact: if the UGA/Bama game had been played as originally scheduled one of those teams would not have been playing in the SECCG.
Fact: the guy responsible for creating the "bridge" schedule is indeed a Bama grad and life long fan of the Alabama Crimson Tide.
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:04 pm to InLesWeTrust
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Fact: it was purposeful manipulation of the schedule to which Bama and UGA were the benefactors. Fact: the SEC stands to make or lose a lot of BCS money depending on who does or who doesn't make it to BCS bowl games. Fact: if the UGA/Bama game had been played as originally scheduled one of those teams would not have been playing in the SECCG. Fact: the guy responsible for creating the "bridge" schedule is indeed a Bama grad and life long fan of the Alabama Crimson Tide.
Get out of here with all that "facts" shite.....LSU fans are a bunch of whiny bitches that are butthurt Bama is SO damn good.
We don't need help.....we are College Football
Eff the haters
:amirite?:
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:08 pm to lsusteve1
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LSU fans are a bunch of whiny bitches that are butthurt Bama is SO damn good.
Says the guy with the ND logo
Posted on 12/4/12 at 4:12 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
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Says the guy with the ND logo
You must be new and have a broken sarcasm meter
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