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Libertariantiger 
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| Socially Conservative feelings on Constitution (Posted on 11/21/12 at 3:23 pm)
Being a Libertarian, which most red state social conservatives aren't fond of, I have upmost respect for our Constitution. I do agree Libs often decry the rules in the Constitution and attempt to by pass it. But, why do so many social right wingers ignore the minority protections in the Constitution? Things like gay marriage, when u can't discrimate specifically against gays via the Constitution, should be a no brainer. If you don't like the Constitution let's write an amendment taking away the provisions giving gays equal rights. And prayer in public funded schools when children, whose parents pay taxes, have to hear prayer from a different religion. Send ur kid to a private church school or pray at home. Why the need to infringe on other people's liberties? Is not thinking ur right and practicing what u believe in private enough?
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WikiTiger
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| re: Socially Conservative feelings on Constitution (Posted on 11/21/12 at 3:24 pm to Libertariantiger)
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I have upmost respect for our Constitution.
you do?
Why?
It's vague, flawed, and effectively toothless.
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ehidal1 
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| re: Socially Conservative feelings on Constitution (Posted on 11/21/12 at 3:25 pm to Libertariantiger)
government needs to be out of the social engineering business altogether
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joshnorris14 
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| re: Socially Conservative feelings on Constitution (Posted on 11/21/12 at 3:32 pm to Libertariantiger)
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Being a Libertarian
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I have upmost respect for our Constitution
Does not compute.
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Libertariantiger
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| re: Socially Conservative feelings on Constitution (Posted on 11/21/12 at 3:32 pm to WikiTiger)
I actually diagree. I find it fairly specific, with a little room for wiggle. Over time it has been bastardized and ignored by the court, but the document itself is still the best written set up of government ever done. IMO
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tatervol 
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| re: Socially Conservative feelings on Constitution (Posted on 11/21/12 at 4:40 pm to Libertariantiger)
I dont understand why you can't be libertarian and respect the constitution. It's not the document that is flawed it is the republicans and democrats who have ignored the basic precepts of it that have led to our authoritarian state.
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joshnorris14
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| re: Socially Conservative feelings on Constitution (Posted on 11/21/12 at 4:46 pm to tatervol)
It's hard for a few pieces of paper to restrain a state government.
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WikiTiger
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| re: Socially Conservative feelings on Constitution (Posted on 11/21/12 at 4:49 pm to Libertariantiger)
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I find it fairly specific
Oh really?
How many Supreme Court justices does it stipulate? Could that ever be abused?
What does "reasonable" mean?
What constitutes interstate commerce?
What does "necessary and proper" mean?
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Over time it has been bastardized and ignored by the court
Which shows just how useless it is.
This post was edited on 11/21 at 4:50 pm
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el duderino III
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| re: Socially Conservative feelings on Constitution (Posted on 11/21/12 at 5:00 pm to WikiTiger)
i'll go ahead and lump your opinion on the constitution right in there with your opinion on bitcoin.
has the take-off started yet? are the fiat currencies collapsing like dominoes?
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bamafan1001 
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| re: Socially Conservative feelings on Constitution (Posted on 11/21/12 at 5:17 pm to Libertariantiger)
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But, why do so many social right wingers ignore the minority protections in the Constitution? Things like gay marriage, when u can't discrimate specifically against gays via the Constitution, should be a no brainer.
Where does it say this in the constitution. Where in the constitution is marriage mentioned?
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Zach
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| re: Socially Conservative feelings on Constitution (Posted on 11/21/12 at 5:19 pm to Libertariantiger)
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I have upmost respect
I don't think upmost is a word.
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NELAtigers 
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| re: Socially Conservative feelings on Constitution (Posted on 11/21/12 at 5:46 pm to Libertariantiger)
There are only 3 things in the constitution that are labeled "unlawful"; piracy, treason, and counterfeiting.
We now have over 4,000 federal laws.
IMO, the 10th Amendment has been long forgotten and the people let it happen.
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klrstix
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| re: Socially Conservative feelings on Constitution (Posted on 11/21/12 at 7:43 pm to joshnorris14)
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joshnorris14
It's hard for a few pieces of paper to restrain a state government.
This is actually a very sublime statement...
Governance comes from people. The paper merely exists to articulate what the people agreed to. If the people decide to redefine Governing, the paper will not prevent them from doing so..
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Cold Pizza 
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| re: Socially Conservative feelings on Constitution (Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:33 pm to Libertariantiger)
The Constitution does not give the Federal Government the power to regulate marriage, leaving it to the States. And the States are handling the issue just as they should. If you think the Constitution mandates gay marriage be legal nationwide, you are NO Libertarian.
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Libertariantiger
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| re: Socially Conservative feelings on Constitution (Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:04 pm to Cold Pizza)
Indeed the states should regulate marriage and marriage is not addressed specifically, but discrimination based on sex or sexual preference is discussed and the state cannot infringe on those groups rights. As long as marriage is a government institution, which it is, it should be available to people protected by equality clauses of the constitution. Real libertarians generally don't care about issues like these as they do not affect other people's rights. Under libertarian principles u can do as u see fit in ur life, assuming it doesn't affect someone else. I feel the repubs would do better to employ this logic and concentrate on economics rather than people's personal business.
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bamafan1001
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| re: Socially Conservative feelings on Constitution (Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:28 pm to Libertariantiger)
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Indeed the states should regulate marriage and marriage is not addressed specifically, but discrimination based on sex or sexual preference is discussed and the state cannot infringe on those groups rights. As long as marriage is a government institution, which it is, it should be available to people protected by equality clauses of the constitution. Real libertarians generally don't care about issues like these as they do not affect other people's rights. Under libertarian principles u can do as u see fit in ur life, assuming it doesn't affect someone else. I feel the repubs would do better to employ this logic and concentrate on economics rather than people's personal business.
Thats great and all but the answer is to get government out of marriage, not to get government to sanction gay marriage. Letting the states determine what they want to do is ultimately the best way to do it.
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joshnorris14
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| re: Socially Conservative feelings on Constitution (Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:36 pm to Libertariantiger)
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Under libertarian principles u can do as u see fit in ur life, assuming it doesn't affect someone else.
It's called the non-aggression principle. And the NAP is in direct opposition of state governments as they can only exist as a government through aggression and coercion.
This post was edited on 11/21 at 9:37 pm
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WikiTiger
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| re: Socially Conservative feelings on Constitution (Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:45 pm to joshnorris14)
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It's called the non-aggression principle. And the NAP is in direct opposition of state governments as they can only exist as a government through aggression and coercion.
be nice to him. he's a young libertarian. it takes time to turn fully AnCap
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joshnorris14
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| re: Socially Conservative feelings on Constitution (Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:56 pm to WikiTiger)
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it takes time to turn fully AnCap
6 months tops.
This post was edited on 11/21 at 9:57 pm
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Layabout 
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| re: Socially Conservative feelings on Constitution (Posted on 11/21/12 at 10:25 pm to bamafan1001)
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Thats great and all but the answer is to get government out of marriage, not to get government to sanction gay marriage. Letting the states determine what they want to do is ultimately the best way to do it.
That would work well provided that Article IV is respected. A marriage contract (and a divorce) in any state should be binding in all states. It's the gay marriage opponents who are trying to subvert the constitution, not the other way around. This is the issue that ultimately will result in the Supreme Court stepping in.
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