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pistolpete23
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Petition for Texas secession hits White House response mark


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Less than a week after President Obama's reelection, an online petition calling for Texas to secede from the Union has gained enough signatures to prompt a response from the White House.

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The petition does not explicitly cite President Obama's reelection as a reason to secede, but claims the nation continues to suffer because of the "federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending."

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JDM1992
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Cold Pizza
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Go, Texas, go.

A Texan once told me The Republic of Texas's treaty with the US gives Texas an "out" of the Union. He said it's in their State Constitution.

Can someone verify/refute this?






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Well ladies looks like I shall be moving to Texas





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GREENHEAD22
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Let it begin.





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crawfishcharlie
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Real estate in Texas is about to go up...





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tylercsbn9
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Texas very much can succeede.

Not like it will happen. I'd stay here if it did though.






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JDM1992
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Hewligan
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If by some miracle Texas finds some loophole that allows them to secede, the government will say "Close down and forfeit everything in Ft. Hood" and that'll scare them back into complacentness.

Secession isn't the answer.






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texashorn
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A Texan once told me The Republic of Texas's treaty with the US gives Texas an "out" of the Union. He said it's in their State Constitution. Can someone verify/refute this?


Certainly.

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Q: Did the terms of Texas's admission to the Union include permission to withdraw if it found statehood not to its liking?

It is said of Texas (and, occasionally, Vermont) that it received a letter or document of permission to withdraw from the Federal Union if it so chose. In the case of Texas, this permission is sometimes said to have been granted at the time of Texas's admission as a state. Other times it is said to have been included in the terms readmitting Texas to the Union after the Civil War.

In fact, Texas received no special terms in its admission to the Union. Once Texas had agreed to join the Union, she never had the legal option of leaving, either before or after the Civil War.

The early years of the United States had seen a great deal of debate over whether states could, in fact, legally withdraw from the Union. During the War of 1812 it was New England that wanted to secede from the rest of the country. Later, it was the Southern states. Secessionists argued that states were sovereign and had the right to withdraw from the Union. Opponents countered that the Constitution created a sovereign union that, once entered into, could never be broken. Eventually, the question was put to the test and settled permanently on the battlefields of the Civil War.

The Presidential Proclamation declaring peace between the United States and Texas after the Civil War, dated August 20, 1866, states very clearly in the following passage that no state had the right to leave the Union (emphasis added in all capitals):

And whereas,

the President of the United States, by further proclamation issued on the second day of April, one thousand eight hundred and sixty-six, did promulgate and declare, that there no longer existed any armed resistance of misguided citizens, or others, to the authority of the United States in any, or in all the States before mentioned, excepting only the State of Texas, and did further promulgate and declare that the laws could be sustained and enforced in the several States before mentioned, except Texas, by the proper civil authorities, State, or Federal, and that the people of the said States, except Texas, are well and loyally disposed, and have conformed or will conform in their legislation to the condition of affairs growing out of the amendment to the Constitution of the United States, prohibiting slavery within the limits and jurisdiction of the United States;

And did further declare in the same proclamation THAT IT IS THE MANIFEST DETERMINATION OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT NO STATE, OF ITS OWN WILL, HAS A RIGHT OR POWER TO GO OUT OF OR SEPARATE ITSELF FROM, OR BE SEPARATED FROM THE AMERICAN UNION; and that, therefore, each State ought to remain and constitute an integral part of the United States;

On March 30, 1870, Congress passed the Act to admit the State of Texas to Representation in the Congress of the United States. Likewise, this act contains no language that would allow Texas to unilaterally withdraw from the United States.


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The Analyst
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I admit the amount of signatures they received in 48 hours is amazing

Still, our little Texas is going nowhere. She throws a fit every once and a while but she will never leave us again...






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Still, our little Texas is going nowhere. She throws a fit every once and a while but she will never leave us again...



I lived in Texas for many years. If you go over there and talk to Texans you will learn how many are deadly serious about this. Conditions are not right for leaving at this time. The U.S. Government is too strong at the moment but liberal policies and the debt clock are weakening it by the day. Tic Toc. Tic Toc.






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RunningBlake
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Secede. Let's start a revolution.





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Decatur
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Let's see how long Texas can last before it is taken over by the Sinaloas


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DallasTiger11
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I hate sounding apocalyptic and extreme but there really is a culturally deep rooted animosity in this state towards the federal government and the North. I can't explain where it comes from and why, maybe it comes from fighting two wars for independence, but I firmly believe that if the government continues on this path that Texas will stand up and eventually tell them to completely frick off.

Who knows if that will cause a "Civil War" of sorts but no one actually thought the original Civil War would happen either.






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mooseknuckle
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This is true as there is a lot of talk about it here. Let the US get weak enough or our debt holders come calling and watch Texas roll the frick out.





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kywildcatfanone
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Well ladies looks like I shall be moving to Texas



Just what I was thinking. Less government oppression and more ribeye!






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texashorn
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I can't explain where it comes from and why

A notable event in the 20th century that severely damaged the relationship between Texas and the feds was the Tidelands controversy.

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The tidelands controversy between the United States and Texas involved the title to 2,440,650 acres of submerged land in the Gulf of Mexico between low tide and the state's Gulfward boundary three leagues (10.35 miles) from shore.

Texas, first acquiring this land by establishing and maintaining itself as an independent nation, reserved this as well as all other unsold land when it entered the Union in 1845. Ownership of the property by the state of Texas was recognized by officials of the United States for more than 100 years.

After oil was discovered under state leases, applicants for cheaper federal leases and federal officials began to assert national ownership in the same manner as they had done against California and other coastal states.

The contest was not confined to Texas. All states became concerned over their long-recognized titles to lands beneath their navigable waters. It became a national issue, resulting in three Supreme Court decisions against the states, three acts of Congress in favor of the states, two presidential vetoes against the states, and a major issue in a presidential campaign, before the states finally won the victory. It was the most serious conflict of the century between the states and the federal government.


Texas State Historical Association






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Decatur
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Texas should shrivel on the vine if it left, assuming that is a possibility in the first place (I have no doubt they would be crushed by American military power). After they get hit with a trade embargo and no international body recognizes their existence, I don't imagine they would be able to hold on to any large companies that are now present there. Imagine the taxes they would then have to raise in order to develop a national security apparatus. Who could Texas convince to be allies with them other than the socialists that they despise?

It would only be a matter of time before Texas devolves into a failed narco-state.

The idea of Texas secession is completely fricking stupid and the people who advocate it are, well, worse.






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GREENHEAD22
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Dance puppet dance.





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