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Ambassador  LSU Fan West Monroe, LA Member since Jan 2004 962 posts

| Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:45 pm)
I heard a story today from someone inside the military that I trust entirely. The story was in reference to General Ham that Panetta referenced in the quote below.
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"(The) basic principle is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on; without having some real-time information about what's taking place," Panetta told Pentagon reporters. "And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation."
The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready. General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command. The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham's place as the head of Africon. I found this story when I got home after hearing this story.
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President Barack Obama will nominate Army Gen. David Rodriguez to succeed Gen. Carter Ham as commander of U.S. Africa Command and Marine Lt. Gen. John Paxton to succeed Gen. Joseph Dunford as assistant commandant of the Marine Corps, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced Thursday.
General Rodigues Nominated as Head of Africon As I was typing this I heard John Bolton on Greta say that there are conflicting reports of General Ham's comments on this tragedy and why a rapid response unit was not deployed. Bolton says someone needs to find out what Ham was saying on 9/11/12. Interesting to say the least. |
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Eighteen  LSU Fan Member since Dec 2006 16706 posts

| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:48 pm to Ambassador)
There is just so much to this story, it would be nice if there were people who were paid to ask questions, request documents and put all leads and quotes together in an attempt get the truth... there should really be a profession for that...
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TigerTattle  LSU Fan Out of Town Member since Sep 2007 5190 posts

| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:48 pm to Ambassador)
Holy crap! If that's true, kudos to Gen. Ham. Seems he's the only one in the administration/military who tried to do the right thing.
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kingbob  LSU Fan St. Amant, LA Member since Nov 2010 20222 posts
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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:50 pm to TigerTattle)
The sad thing about this story is how believable it is.
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TigerLicks Buffalo Fan Dallas, TX Member since Oct 2003 10835 posts
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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:51 pm to Ambassador)
Great points. Great find.
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KosmoCramer  Ohio State Fan Member since Dec 2007 46629 posts

| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:51 pm to Ambassador)
I'm getting sick just finding out everything that was going on behind the scenes of this and how it's not being talked about. I literally want to vomit thinking that we left American heroes to die when we had many avenues of support and assets that could have been utilized.
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GumboPot  LSU Fan Saints Fan Member since Mar 2009 25801 posts

| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:53 pm to kingbob)
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The sad thing about this story is how believable it is.
Right...not to far fetched and quite plausible. |
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TigerTattle  LSU Fan Out of Town Member since Sep 2007 5190 posts

| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:54 pm to Eighteen)
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put all leads and quotes together in an attempt get the truth...
Not so much leads, but here are the quotes. I posted the same link in another thread. Benghazi Timeline |
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Patrick_Bateman  USA Fan Member since Jan 2012 11201 posts

| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:54 pm to Ambassador)
In other words, this story is about to go Ham?
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tigerpimpbot  LA-Monroe Fan The 561 Member since Nov 2011 31737 posts

| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:55 pm to Ambassador)
I have no doubt this happened. Mother frick.  |
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KosmoCramer  Ohio State Fan Member since Dec 2007 46629 posts

| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:56 pm to GumboPot)
The question now is WHY were they told to stand down. The special response teams under the control of Ham knew that their job was to go into situations with limited intel. That is how they are trained, that's how their procedures are set up. Benghazi happened, they were trained to respond, and were told to stand down. This is all going to come out. There are a lot of pissed of Delta Force, Inteiligence people, etc. that KNOW the U.S. government let American heroes die. This will all leak out, sooner rather than later, but honestly who cares about this effecting the election. This is way bigger than that.
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El Josey Wales  LSU Fan Greater Geismar Member since Nov 2007 22710 posts

| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:56 pm to KosmoCramer)
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I'm getting sick just finding out everything that was going on behind the scenes of this and how it's not being talked about.
This. |
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baybeefeetz Eastern Michigan Fan the now Member since Sep 2009 15056 posts
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| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:58 pm to TigerTattle)
Tht tImeline is awesome.
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El Josey Wales  LSU Fan Greater Geismar Member since Nov 2007 22710 posts

| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:58 pm to KosmoCramer)
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This is way bigger than that.
I agree wholeheartedly but a vast majority of the country has no idea about any of this. A damn shame. |
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Eighteen  LSU Fan Member since Dec 2006 16706 posts

| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 10:00 pm to TigerTattle)
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Not so much leads, but here are the quotes. I posted the same link in another thread. Benghazi Timeline
thanks for the link...I was just being facetious about how the MSM "journalists" care more about binders, Big Bird and random misquotes that actually questioning the administration about Benghazi The tough questions should have been asked from the beginning...all this stuff shouldn't have to trickle out slowly through other sources |
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Topisawtiger  LSU Fan Mississippi Member since Oct 2012 890 posts

| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 10:00 pm to El Josey Wales)
I am a retired military officer and the only time you would ever leave someone like that, without responding is POLITICS. Ever.
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RTR America  Alabama Fan Memphis, TN Member since Aug 2012 24877 posts

| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 10:02 pm to TigerTattle)
This is what is bothering me is I have never heard from our military that it was not "optimal" to go out and try to safe the lives of our fellow Americans. Oh and |
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Wild Thang  USA Fan 10-7 Superbowl!!!!! Member since Jun 2009 24296 posts

| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 10:04 pm to Ambassador)
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General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command. The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham's place as the head of Africon.
Obama needs to be put in jail IMO. |
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Eighteen  LSU Fan Member since Dec 2006 16706 posts

| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 10:06 pm to RTR America)
this is why it pisses me off so much when Decatour, Rex, DA and Col Toddy try and justify all of this. It is clear there was a major frick up, and it came under Obama's whether they like it or not. He deserves to be held accountable, and he isn't. There is nothing you can do to justify what happened...something like this should have never happened on the fricking anniversary of 9/11. Its just pathetic.
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TigerTattle  LSU Fan Out of Town Member since Sep 2007 5190 posts

| re: Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 10:08 pm to baybeefeetz)
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Tht tImeline is awesome.
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