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Tagliabue
Posted on 10/19/12 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 10/19/12 at 1:40 pm
If I were Sean Payton and if it's at all possible w/in whatever rule(s) applies to coaches, I would request an appeals hearing with Tagliabue as well. He needs to do this given everything that has gone down since his suspension was handed down.
He can't fight it in court like the players, but he should get a fair (somewhat) shake.
He can't fight it in court like the players, but he should get a fair (somewhat) shake.
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Posted on 10/19/12 at 1:51 pm to SDwhodat
From Triplett:
I've obviously thought -- and asked -- a lot about that concept throughout this saga. And here's what I've come up with:
Payton and Vitt and Loomis and the Saints organization as a whole obviously vehemently disagree with the LEVEL of the NFL's punishments. But at the same time, they know they aren't completely innocent. The Saints did have a pay-for-injury program in place under their watch. And they know they let things get out of hand, even if they don't think it's as bad as the NFL does ... So as much as they disagree with the severity of the NFL punishments, there's nothing they can really do about it. They tried to state their case through the NFL's appeals process, which obviously didn't work. But they knew they wouldn't have the grounds to win a lawsuit against the NFL.So they decided they had no choice but to take their medicine.
Like a lot of people have said from the beginning of this mess, it's like trying to talk your way out of a speeding ticket when you were, in fact, driving over the speed limit -- even if you felt like you didn't deserve to be singled out.
As for the players, they have the NFLPA on their side, so they had a more clear avenue to fight back. ... And in their case, they have a much stronger case to say they shouldn't be singled out as individuals -- especially guys like Fujita and Will Smith, who were cited as being captains and leaders of the team. ... Whereas Payton and Loomis and Vitt can accept on some level that everything that happens with the Saints fallas under their responsibility, the players don't have to accept that.
And since they passionately believe that they never actually crossed the line on the field and never truly attempted to injure opponents outside of the normal course of play, they passionately want to defend their reputations.
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Ed Werder posted this question on twitter... Hardest to reconcile in Bounty case: Why does Sean Payton accept year-long suspension while players fight like they have?
I've obviously thought -- and asked -- a lot about that concept throughout this saga. And here's what I've come up with:
Payton and Vitt and Loomis and the Saints organization as a whole obviously vehemently disagree with the LEVEL of the NFL's punishments. But at the same time, they know they aren't completely innocent. The Saints did have a pay-for-injury program in place under their watch. And they know they let things get out of hand, even if they don't think it's as bad as the NFL does ... So as much as they disagree with the severity of the NFL punishments, there's nothing they can really do about it. They tried to state their case through the NFL's appeals process, which obviously didn't work. But they knew they wouldn't have the grounds to win a lawsuit against the NFL.So they decided they had no choice but to take their medicine.
Like a lot of people have said from the beginning of this mess, it's like trying to talk your way out of a speeding ticket when you were, in fact, driving over the speed limit -- even if you felt like you didn't deserve to be singled out.
As for the players, they have the NFLPA on their side, so they had a more clear avenue to fight back. ... And in their case, they have a much stronger case to say they shouldn't be singled out as individuals -- especially guys like Fujita and Will Smith, who were cited as being captains and leaders of the team. ... Whereas Payton and Loomis and Vitt can accept on some level that everything that happens with the Saints fallas under their responsibility, the players don't have to accept that.
And since they passionately believe that they never actually crossed the line on the field and never truly attempted to injure opponents outside of the normal course of play, they passionately want to defend their reputations.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 1:59 pm to sicboy
I think Payton hasn't appealed because he knows he can't win and he doesn't want to be a distraction for the coaches and players. I don't think it's an admission of guilt.
Posted on 10/19/12 at 2:25 pm to sicboy
What's Payton supposed to do? Say pretty please with icing on top? That or going to court are his only options, and court really isn't a viable option anyway. I think Payton had hoped to stay quiet, do everything he's told, and get his suspension cut like goodell has done for Big Ben and Vick. But it doesn't look like that's going to happen.
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