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Comparing the LSU Offense to the SF 49ers Offense
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:01 pm
Principally, Jim Harbaugh's offense in San Francisco is very similar to Miles' offensive philosophy. Everything starts with the power running game, incorporating TEs and FBs. The 49ers don't throw the ball much (of 32 NFL teams SF ranks 30th in pass attempts, 31st last year), but when they do they are efficient and don't turn the ball over (SF threw the least amount of INTS in the NFL last year). By NFL standards Harbaugh doesn't ask QB Alex Smith to do too much, or be "superman."
The difference to me is that SF has elements of deception, creativity, and diversity in their offense that we lack.
One of the major differences is how involved the TEs are in the passing game, which fits because the TE pass is usually safe and generally provides the greatest margin for error. TEs Vernon Davis and Delanie Walker are heavily involved in the SF passing game, accounting for 31% of the 49ers catches in 2011.
Now, think about 2007. The most prolific scoring team in LSU history at 38.6 PPG. That was Richard Dickson's sophomore year and his best at LSU (32 catches, 375 yards & 5 TDs). 36 total catches by TEs in 2007, which is the most in the Miles era.
Say what you want about the quality of our TEs this year but they've been pretty consistent (especially compared to our receivers) and were clutch vs. Florida.
The point is, Miles' offensive philosophy can work and has worked, but we can't forget about adjunct pieces, like the TEs, RB screens, Shepard, etc.
The difference to me is that SF has elements of deception, creativity, and diversity in their offense that we lack.
One of the major differences is how involved the TEs are in the passing game, which fits because the TE pass is usually safe and generally provides the greatest margin for error. TEs Vernon Davis and Delanie Walker are heavily involved in the SF passing game, accounting for 31% of the 49ers catches in 2011.
Now, think about 2007. The most prolific scoring team in LSU history at 38.6 PPG. That was Richard Dickson's sophomore year and his best at LSU (32 catches, 375 yards & 5 TDs). 36 total catches by TEs in 2007, which is the most in the Miles era.
Say what you want about the quality of our TEs this year but they've been pretty consistent (especially compared to our receivers) and were clutch vs. Florida.
The point is, Miles' offensive philosophy can work and has worked, but we can't forget about adjunct pieces, like the TEs, RB screens, Shepard, etc.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:01 pm to inadaze
our TE's are resigned to blocking and 7 yard hitches.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:03 pm to The Egg
The first drive of the game says otherwise.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:04 pm to fastedLSU
damn, we save all the good shite for the first drives now.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:06 pm to The Egg
It was effective and after the first drive it completely vanished. Laugh all you want while the sec is laughing at our offense.
This post was edited on 10/7/12 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:07 pm to inadaze
We should use the TE's more than we've been using them. We've used them almost solely for blocking since Richard Dickson left.
I was glad to see them used more in the game yesterday, I will agree there.
I was glad to see them used more in the game yesterday, I will agree there.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:09 pm to inadaze
SF offense had almost 700 yards total offense today.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:09 pm to la_birdman
I'll never understand how Deangelo Peterson wasn't better utilized during his time here. He should've been a complete mismatch for a linebacker.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:16 pm to inadaze
He has one of the most physically gifted TEs in history and uses creativity in his play calling. That's the major difference.
LSU has no identity and instead of mixing things up tries to force things.
Also, SF's offense has been pretty mediocre until this game.
LSU has no identity and instead of mixing things up tries to force things.
Also, SF's offense has been pretty mediocre until this game.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:16 pm to medtiger
Agreed.
He didn't have the best hands but he still could've been better.
That reverse from Ridley in the game against Bama in '10 was a sweet play.
Where's that play been?
He didn't have the best hands but he still could've been better.
That reverse from Ridley in the game against Bama in '10 was a sweet play.
Where's that play been?
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:19 pm to la_birdman
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That reverse from Ridley in the game against Bama in '10 was a sweet play.
Exactly. He's a tight end that was athletic enough to basically take an end around to the house (he decided to step out for some reason), but we couldn't get him open down the seam against linebackers ever? WTF?
This post was edited on 10/7/12 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:21 pm to medtiger
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Exactly. He's a tight end that was athletic enough to basically take an end around to the house (he decided to step out for some reason), but we couldn't get him open down the seam against linebackers ever? WTF?
TE development has been horrible under Ensminger. He's a waste of space and has killed that part of our offense for the most part.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:39 pm to GangnamStyle
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He has one of the most physically gifted TEs in history and uses creativity in his play calling. That's the major difference.
LSU has no identity and instead of mixing things up tries to force things.
Also, SF's offense has been pretty mediocre until this game.
The point is that Harbaugh makes it work in the NFL to the tune of 17-4 in the regular season, and being one game away from the Super Bowl last year (NFC Championship game loss in OT to the Giants).
SF makes it work in a passing league. Also, the talent is more evenly distributed. Their circumstances are much more difficult than ours. They just use more sophistication around their central philosophy, which I think we could learn from.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 12:34 am to The Egg
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our TE's are resigned to blocking and 7 yard hitches.
Our TEs aren't 4.4 speed either and essentially a huge WR.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 12:38 am to medtiger
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I'll never understand how Deangelo Peterson wasn't better utilized during his time here. He should've been a complete mismatch for a linebacker.
Honestly, he had alligator arms when he was targeted.
alligator arms
this is just one example, but it happened a fair bit with him for some reason.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 12:56 am to stho381
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Our TEs aren't 4.4 speed either and essentially a huge WR.
True, Davis is a freak.
But we don't have to use our TEs the exact way SF uses Davis to get them more involved. They are running him on all kinds of patterns all over the field and deep. We don't have to do all that, but with the OL now in shambles the TEs can provide a big target (both Clement and Jacobs are bigger than Davis) for Mett to hit quickly and move the chains.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 1:07 am to inadaze
:FreeNicJacobs:
:UseDillonGordon:
:UseDillonGordon:
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:00 am to inadaze
Harbaugh is running the same stuff he ran at Stanford. Except now he's doing it with NFL athletes. It's working well for him, I'd say.
If you want to run that type of offense at LSU, you need 4-6 huge, fast OL, capable of driving your opponents into the ground, a couple of tall TE's with soft hands that run great routes, and a competent QB capable of making good reads and quick decisions. Oh yeah, and at least one tough, durable, and hard running RB. Preferably two.
If you want to run that type of offense at LSU, you need 4-6 huge, fast OL, capable of driving your opponents into the ground, a couple of tall TE's with soft hands that run great routes, and a competent QB capable of making good reads and quick decisions. Oh yeah, and at least one tough, durable, and hard running RB. Preferably two.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:06 am to loweralabamatrojan
It worked the first drive, then Florida adjusted, pulled up corners and shut us down. We had no response because we're so limited as to what we can do. We should have taken more deep ball shots to back them off but didn't..... Why, is the question.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:10 am to fastedLSU
The Jacksonville Jaguars offense is a much more accurate comparison.
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