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Posted on 10/6/12 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 10/6/12 at 9:10 pm
Wow, just reading an article about the players from Oviedo (Spain) who are doing well in England, and I forgot, Pirès is also from here/there (genetically).
FYI
Cazorla
Mata
Michu
Pirès
It's amazing, but, if y'all saw the football base programme here, you'd be wondering why there weren't more.
This quote from Arsene about Santi was nice:
Ah, there will be more. I've seen the system firsthand for fifteen years. Just think when we find out how to get the beasts performing at this level (we've got kids at 12,14 years old who are 6'3+ and are pretty damned strong with ball skills). Imagine a Santi Cazorla who is Javi size. Obscene. Totally obscene. Yet, this is the future.
FYI
Cazorla
Mata
Michu
Pirès
It's amazing, but, if y'all saw the football base programme here, you'd be wondering why there weren't more.
This quote from Arsene about Santi was nice:
quote:
Cazorla is technically perfect. He is really fast and has a reportory which is uncommonly ample, which gives us many variances in attack.
Ah, there will be more. I've seen the system firsthand for fifteen years. Just think when we find out how to get the beasts performing at this level (we've got kids at 12,14 years old who are 6'3+ and are pretty damned strong with ball skills). Imagine a Santi Cazorla who is Javi size. Obscene. Totally obscene. Yet, this is the future.
This post was edited on 10/6/12 at 9:29 pm
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Posted on 10/6/12 at 9:23 pm to Dandy Lion
As an Arsenal fan all I can say is I love me some Santi. Not quite as good as Cesc but definitely in the same ballpark.
Posted on 10/6/12 at 9:27 pm to DB10_AFC
quote:eh, they are two different types of players, keep that in mind.
Not quite as good as Cesc
Posted on 10/6/12 at 9:30 pm to Dandy Lion
In other sports, the athletes are bigger, faster, stronger than ever before while maintaining or even improving the level of technique from the greats of the past. Basketball, football, and (especially) golf are great examples of this trend.
The future in soccer is going to be those bigger, faster, and stronger players with ridiculous technique usually found in smaller guys. It's great to see that shift coming into this sport.
To even imagine a dude with center back size, top speed, and world-class ball control is stunning...I can't wait to see these kids you're talking about down the road.
The future in soccer is going to be those bigger, faster, and stronger players with ridiculous technique usually found in smaller guys. It's great to see that shift coming into this sport.
To even imagine a dude with center back size, top speed, and world-class ball control is stunning...I can't wait to see these kids you're talking about down the road.
This post was edited on 10/6/12 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 10/6/12 at 9:38 pm to Dandy Lion
I don't think he's as good as Cesc, but Cazorla is more aesthetically pleasing IMO.
Posted on 10/6/12 at 9:43 pm to Friend of OBUDan
quote:they are two different players.
I don't think he's as good as Cesc, but Cazorla is more aesthetically pleasing IMO.
Posted on 10/6/12 at 9:53 pm to Dandy Lion
Yep. Cazorla is much more mobile, tricky. A joy to watch.
Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:02 pm to Friend of OBUDan
Are Cesc and Cazorla the same person? 
Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:03 pm to WarSlamEagle
quote:
The future in soccer is going to be those bigger, faster, and stronger players with ridiculous technique usually found in smaller guys. It's great to see that shift coming into this sport.
To even imagine a dude with center back size, top speed, and world-class ball control is stunning...I can't wait to see these kids you're talking about down the road.
Huge hyperbole here.
There's always been quality technical players with big statures. Zidane at 6'1" was the most technically perfect player of his generation. However there's always going to be a certain physical hindrance to players over 5'10" based purely on center of gravity.
Gerard Pique is an incredibly silky player, but there's a reason he got pushed to centerback while Messi stayed forward on their youth team that also featured Cesc Fabregas.
Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:10 pm to Bho
I think so!
Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:12 pm to Friend of OBUDan
Zidane was not, nor is now, 6'1
Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:12 pm to thenry712
I see what you're saying, but I don't see this kind of player just staying at CB. Piqué would be a great DM on a lot of teams outside of Barça. If we see more and more players getting pumped out at this size and technique, it would be a waste to put them all at CB. (Also, Piqué isn't as quick as you'd like in a midfielder...)
What if Zidane was two inches taller and stronger? Would he have been weaker with the ball?
The center of gravity argument is important, though, didn't think of that.
What if Zidane was two inches taller and stronger? Would he have been weaker with the ball?
The center of gravity argument is important, though, didn't think of that.
This post was edited on 10/6/12 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:15 pm to Dandy Lion
quote:
Zidane was not, nor is now, 6'1
quote:
Zidane in 2008
Personal information
Full name Zinedine Yazid Zidane
Date of birth 23 June 1972 (age 40)[1]
Place of birth Marseille, France
Height 1.85 m (6 ft 1 in)
Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:34 pm to Bho
I have met him, I am 185. He is not 185.
Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:34 pm to WarSlamEagle
Busquets is probably the most skillful tall midfielder right now, but he's not necessarily quick. He emerged as slow centerback and then converted to a pivoté in the midfield once he reached first team. Yaya Toure is really the only freak athlete who is big, fast, strong, and gifted with the ball at his feet.
Look at the heights of some of the best seven or so players in the world right now:
Messi 5'7"
Iniesta 5'7"
Xavi 5'7"
Ronaldo 6'1"
Eden Hazard 5'7"
Neymar 5'9"
Rooney 5'9"
RVP 6'1"
Only two of those players are above six feet in stature.
Look at the heights of some of the best seven or so players in the world right now:
Messi 5'7"
Iniesta 5'7"
Xavi 5'7"
Ronaldo 6'1"
Eden Hazard 5'7"
Neymar 5'9"
Rooney 5'9"
RVP 6'1"
Only two of those players are above six feet in stature.
This post was edited on 10/6/12 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:38 pm to thenry712
Cristianito is not 6'2. I guarantee it.
EDIT
I'm slightly above 185 (6'1 and a bit), and I have met both Zidane and Cristianito. Zidane is shorter than CRon, but not by two inches.
I'd say Zidane barely hits 6, with hair, and CRon is 6 (and that is stretching it a bit). Then again, I'm a weak 6'1 and a half.
EDIT
I'm slightly above 185 (6'1 and a bit), and I have met both Zidane and Cristianito. Zidane is shorter than CRon, but not by two inches.
I'd say Zidane barely hits 6, with hair, and CRon is 6 (and that is stretching it a bit). Then again, I'm a weak 6'1 and a half.
This post was edited on 10/6/12 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:40 pm to thenry712
No, I understand all of that. I'm not saying we'll have Toure-sized guys playing forward...I'm saying we're trending towards seeing more freak athletes with superb technique, like Toure.
Everyone wants to go out and get a Toure. The wingers and forwards will most likely be smaller guys for obvious reasons, but I think we'll see more of these super athletic, super technical players in the future. More Toures.
The Messis and Neymars will continue to be that size, that makes sense...but the difference in pure athleticism between athletes (in any sport) today and the athletes of yesterday makes me think we'll see that emerging more into soccer, like Dandy has said with these kids in this particular system.
Everyone wants to go out and get a Toure. The wingers and forwards will most likely be smaller guys for obvious reasons, but I think we'll see more of these super athletic, super technical players in the future. More Toures.
The Messis and Neymars will continue to be that size, that makes sense...but the difference in pure athleticism between athletes (in any sport) today and the athletes of yesterday makes me think we'll see that emerging more into soccer, like Dandy has said with these kids in this particular system.
Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:41 pm to Dandy Lion
Excuse me, the greasy one stands at a respectable 6'1", or 1.86 meters.
Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:41 pm to WarSlamEagle
quote:
It's great to see that shift coming into this sport.
I'm small, so I disagree.
Posted on 10/6/12 at 10:43 pm to thenry712
quote:you are wrong.
thenry712
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