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re: This Ed O Bannon lawsuit could alter college sports as we know it
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:35 pm to etm512
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:35 pm to etm512
It is a two way street in that they chose each other. LSU was really tyrann's only big offer and he chose them. However, the amount of money LSU and other companies made off him doesn't compare to the scholarship that he was given that might have be worth what $50k over four years?
I understand it's the system in place but it's a flawed system.
I understand it's the system in place but it's a flawed system.
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Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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hell, nothing prevented o'bannon from saying "frick college" and just going for endorsement deals before he was even out of high school. this further illustrates the "gotcha" in the argument b/c none of us would know who ed o'bannon was WITHOUT the NCAA
Hold on.
But no one in their right mind would say Julliard gets to hold onto the likeness/image rights and profit off of Kevin Spacey after he leaves school.
So then, what you're admitting is that...these Universities don't have a student/university legal relationship but (using the actor analogy) a studio/actor relationship...and using your analogy, because we wouldn't know who Kevin Spacey was if not for studios putting him into movies...ala athletes onto the playing field.
As such, why again should they not be compensated ala any other professional and their promoter/production company?
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i think a lot of NCAA FB players can get marketable in 1-2 years, and be of quality enough to get drafted
I agree but there are always special players that shouldn't spend a moment in the classroom. The NBA 1-year rule is a total joke. Randy Moss is another example of someone who was ready before he got his highschool diploma.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:48 pm to etm512
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Don't universities use research done by PHD students all the time in order to gain more grants and money?
PhD students are often paid a salary by the school and are permitted to hold a job outside of their research.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:50 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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He hates the idea of smaller division I universities going broke ... But that's another thread for another time.
Allow the athletes to receive funds from sponsorships, and if the NCAA wants to impose a cap (as they do with scholarships) so be it.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:53 pm to Sterling Archer
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LSU was really tyrann's only big offer
Utenn, at the LEAST, offered him
Posted on 10/3/12 at 12:56 pm to Zamoro10
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But no one in their right mind would say Julliard gets to hold onto the likeness/image rights and profit off of Kevin Spacey after he leaves school.
not 100% applicable, because
1. Spacey wasn't involved in an amateur acting association that required him to wait until he could profit from his likeness
2. Juliard can profit from plays/works done while he was there, using Juliard resources, after he leaves. if they produced a play or movie, they could continue to sell it after he left
Posted on 10/3/12 at 1:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Spacey wasn't involved in an amateur acting association that required him to wait until he could profit from his likeness
This is what those against paying college athletes fail to acknowledge, there's no rule prohibiting actors, band members, ect from accepting scholarships from the school and being compensated for their talent so why should there be one for athletes?
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Don't research students have the ability to keep the rights to their research?
For instance, Stanford didn't get Google when Sergey and Larry created it.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
No one has addressed the above post but it is an example of the double standard that exist for athletes. And Im sure PHd students dont have to sign the rights to their image away in perpetuity.
This post was edited on 10/3/12 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 10/3/12 at 1:34 pm to nicholastiger
The NCAA has rules that deny student athletes the right to profit from their names, likenesses and images. It is offensive that the NCAA should then turn around and profit from the very activities it restricts the athletes from engaging in. We are not talking about televising the performances in athletic contests which anyone understands must be the exclusive rights of the NCAA and its member institutions. We're talking about secondary marketing efforts in which there are no spectators, just the intent to profit.
Posted on 10/3/12 at 1:55 pm to Sophandros
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Allow the athletes to receive funds from sponsorships, and if the NCAA wants to impose a cap (as they do with scholarships) so be it.
They would have to. Could you imagine Oregon behind the Nike train?
Posted on 10/3/12 at 1:59 pm to Rig
quote:hyperbole much?
Love free enterprise. Just believe free enterprise in collegiate athletics is the downfall of collegiate athletics as we know it
Posted on 10/3/12 at 2:02 pm to undecided
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there's no rule prohibiting actors, band members, ect from accepting scholarships from the school and being compensated for their talent so why should there be one for athletes?
nothing in the NCAA rules prevents somebody from playing in the NFL and going to college, or making money from acting and going to college, etc
Posted on 10/3/12 at 2:04 pm to etm512
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They would have to. Could you imagine Oregon behind the Nike train?
eh, i don't really care about this, but there's an easy fix.
1. individual schools can adopt policies denying the right to receive money for endorsements
2. no player can be sponsored by an associated sponsor of the member institution. so oregon players can't be endorsed by nike (neither can LSU), no AU player could be endorsed by UA, etc
Posted on 10/3/12 at 2:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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nothing in the NCAA rules prevents somebody from playing in the NFL and going to college, or making money from acting and going to college, etc
No the NCAA rules prevents players from being compensated while in school for the talents outside of their scholarchips and also prohibits them from profiting from their success in perpetuity after college.
No one is arguing that the NCAA mandates that athletes go to college prior to going pro. However, imagine your favorite team if all the best athletes played in Europe for three years and then went pro. . . You would be buying $1000 season tickets to watch Ivy League football?
Posted on 10/3/12 at 2:24 pm to undecided
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also prohibits them from profiting from their success in perpetuity after college.
how?
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However, imagine your favorite team if all the best athletes played in Europe for three years and then went pro. . . You would be buying $1000 season tickets to watch Ivy League football?
i don't see what that has to do with anything lol
but i wouldn't be as big of a CFB fan. i haven't always been, and if that happened i wouldn't be
Posted on 10/3/12 at 2:27 pm to The Mick
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EA Sports NCAA football comes to mind.. There's no names but the jersey numbers are accurate and obviously modelled after the real player.
Not to mention if you manually type in their name, Brad Nessler will say it in the game. Now, I know theres a lot of "Smiths", but what made me laugh was when he said "Perriloux".
Posted on 10/3/12 at 2:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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also prohibits them from profiting from their success in perpetuity after college.
how?
It's in the fine print of their scholarship paperwork and is one of the tenants of the O'Bannon lawsuit
Posted on 10/3/12 at 2:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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2. no player can be sponsored by an associated sponsor of the member institution. so oregon players can't be endorsed by nike (neither can LSU), no AU player could be endorsed by UA, etc
I'm getting off topic I know and I agree though. However, it would be hard though for a guy to be sponsored by Reebok when he is wearing Nike uniforms for the school.
This post was edited on 10/3/12 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 10/3/12 at 6:32 pm to etm512
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However, it would be hard though for a guy to be sponsored by Reebok when he is wearing Nike uniforms for the school.
that's where #1 (School refusal) comes in
Posted on 10/3/12 at 6:33 pm to undecided
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It's in the fine print of their scholarship paperwork and is one of the tenants of the O'Bannon lawsuit
so michael jordan was prohibited from profiting from his success after college? news to me
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