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More Tarnish on the Golden Dome: Criminals Make Your Team Better
Posted on 8/30/12 at 5:06 am
Posted on 8/30/12 at 5:06 am
Former ND running back turned radio analyst (for ND football) Allen Pinkett was interviewed on a Chicago Sports Talk Radio show, and basically said that criminals make your team better, but not rapists and murderers. You know, the other criminals. Those are the guys you need to take you to the pinnacle of CF. SMDH
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This post was edited on 8/30/12 at 8:04 am
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Posted on 8/30/12 at 6:32 am to loweralabamatrojan
It doesn't matter if they lower their standards. I don't see what possible advantage Notre Dame has over any SEC, Big 12, Big 10, or PAC 10 powerhouse besides tradition.
Posted on 8/30/12 at 8:06 am to 70739tigah
They recruit nationally, and they're pretty good at it most of the time. Of late, coaching seems to have been a deficiency, with the possible exception of Lou Holtz and Ara Parseghian.
Maybe BK can turn it around.
With thugs.
Maybe BK can turn it around.
With thugs.
Posted on 8/30/12 at 8:19 am to 70739tigah
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I don't see what possible advantage Notre Dame has over any SEC, Big 12, Big 10, or PAC 10 powerhouse besides tradition.
REALLY?
ND has a very prestigious degree. Moreso than any SEC school, except for maybe Vandy.
ND gets it's student athletes a great alumni network NATIONWIDE.
ND has great football facilities and tradition, so you don't have to sacrifice that for the academics.
ND has a NATIONWIDE fanbase.
ND allows you more exposure IMO. A hesiman contender at ND will get UNfreakingBELIEVABLE exposure compared to LSU.
ND also has things that can't be offered anywhere else. Such as playing a game in Ireland and Soldier Field. A current ND player will be able to say they played CFB in a great soccer stadium in Dublin, one of the greatest NFL stadiums, they played in historic venues like the Coliseum, ND Stadium, and the Big house.
If you can't see what they offer that an SEC, Big 12, Big 10, or Pac 10 school offers, then you're just being totally biased.
And this is coming from an LSU fan. That's not to say that you can't get similar things from going to a USC or Texas, but going to ND offers a far more historical and worldly experience than playing at Bama, Auburn, or LSU.
Posted on 8/30/12 at 8:20 am to loweralabamatrojan
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They recruit nationally, and they're pretty good at it most of the time. Of late, coaching seems to have been a deficiency, with the possible exception of Lou Holtz and Ara Parseghian.
Coaching has been the deficiency.
Notre dame has proven it can bring in top 10 classes pretty consistently.
And before some LSUtard (and I'm an LSU fan remind you) chimes in with "ND recruits are overrated," just remember that is pure bullshite. ND has pulled in guys that Bama, LSU, USC, and other SEC schools have offered as of late.
Posted on 8/30/12 at 8:34 am to loweralabamatrojan
Wow, can you imagine if Pinkett was white.
Posted on 8/30/12 at 8:38 am to Moustache
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REALLY?
ND has a very prestigious degree. Moreso than any SEC school, except for maybe Vandy.
ND gets it's student athletes a great alumni network NATIONWIDE.
ND has great football facilities and tradition, so you don't have to sacrifice that for the academics.
ND has a NATIONWIDE fanbase.
ND allows you more exposure IMO. A hesiman contender at ND will get UNfreakingBELIEVABLE exposure compared to LSU.
ND also has things that can't be offered anywhere else. Such as playing a game in Ireland and Soldier Field. A current ND player will be able to say they played CFB in a great soccer stadium in Dublin, one of the greatest NFL stadiums, they played in historic venues like the Coliseum, ND Stadium, and the Big house.
If you can't see what they offer that an SEC, Big 12, Big 10, or Pac 10 school offers, then you're just being totally biased.
And this is coming from an LSU fan. That's not to say that you can't get similar things from going to a USC or Texas, but going to ND offers a far more historical and worldly experience than playing at Bama, Auburn, or LSU.
So if you're a top recruit and have your sights set on going to the NFL in the next 2-3 years, you're choosing to go to Notre Dame over Bama, LSU, etc....?
In terms of your college football career, it'd be a wiser choice to choose an SEC team. Better coaches, better competition and an actual shot to play in a BCS bowl game, if not the title game.
Notre Dame is like the Dallas Cowboys of college football. Nationally "popular" (if you wanna call it that) based on events that happened well over 2-3 decades ago. Notre Dame football as of the last few years has been sub par and mostly irrelevant.
Posted on 8/30/12 at 8:45 am to loweralabamatrojan
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Of late, coaching seems to have been a deficiency
God I hate this excuse when applied to ND.
Ever since Davie, fans and pundits have gone ga-ga over every coach ND hired, saying how they are going to right the ship.
Davie, Willingham, and Weis were all praised when first hired.
And the same thing is happening with Kelly.
And when Kelly fails at ND, people will still be saying shite like, "coaching seems to have been a deficiency."
Um, no. It's more than that.
Posted on 8/30/12 at 8:46 am to Moustache
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ND also has things that can't be offered anywhere else. Such as playing a game in Ireland
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A current ND player will be able to say they played CFB in a great soccer stadium in Dublin
The vast majority of recruits that Pinkett was referring too give zero fricks about that.
This post was edited on 8/30/12 at 8:50 am
Posted on 8/30/12 at 8:55 am to loweralabamatrojan
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Criminals Make Your Team Better
Well, it's true. Maybe people don't want to say it or admit it, but the best teams ever put together were led by criminals. Either they were convicted, never caught, or beat the wrap, but they were still criminals.
Most positions outside of QB and K require a certain degree of violence, and men that happen to be good at that are usually violent in everyday life. It's not always the case, but more times than not it is.
Posted on 8/30/12 at 8:59 am to dcrews
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So if you're a top recruit and have your sights set on going to the NFL in the next 2-3 years, you're choosing to go to Notre Dame over Bama, LSU, etc....?
Of course, it depends on position, but I'm also smart enough to think that there's a chance i wont' make the NFL.
Truthfully, any major college can get you to the pros if you're actually good enough. ND especially can get you to the pros.
SO, I choose ND for the degree. I wouldn't choose stanford or Vandy because they don't have the CFB atmosphere like ND or LSU or bama has.
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Better coaches, better competition and an actual shot to play in a BCS bowl game, if not the title game.
Maybe better coaches, but the Big 10 adn ND has some pretty damn good coaches in their own right. As far as better competition, I think ND's schedule fricking shits all over LSU's this year.
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Notre Dame football as of the last few years has been sub par and mostly irrelevant.
So, if you're not in teh MNC game, you're irrelevant? Notre dame has won 16 games the last 2 years and has been to a BCS bowl just 5 years ago. That's not as irrelevant as you want to believe.
In terms of exposure and life after football, ND is a MUCH better choice than LSU or Bama.
Posted on 8/30/12 at 9:02 am to WikiTiger
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Davie, Willingham, and Weis were all praised when first hired.
do you deny that these guys were all fricking terrible coaches?
Willingham pretty much proved it with his shitfest at Washington, Davie was unqualified in the first place, and WEis was also unqualified and shite all over UF.
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And when Kelly fails at ND, people will still be saying shite like, "coaching seems to have been a deficiency."
The way Kelly and company have been recruiting, it's only a matter of time before they start winning and winning big IMO. The only thing that will prevent that is if the QB position doesn't develop as expected.
I will agree that they were retarded to hype up Davie, Willingham, and Weis.
However, it's not like ND has sucked anymore than say UGA or USCe in the past 6-8 years. But people are sucking their dick.
Posted on 8/30/12 at 9:07 am to Moustache
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The way Davie and company have been recruiting, it's only a matter of time before they start winning and winning big IMO.
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The way Willingham and company have been recruiting, it's only a matter of time before they start winning and winning big IMO.
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The way Weis and company have been recruiting, it's only a matter of time before they start winning and winning big IMO.
FIFY
Posted on 8/30/12 at 9:09 am to Michael J Cocks
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Most positions outside of QB and K require a certain degree of violence, and men that happen to be good at that are usually violent in everyday life. It's not always the case, but more times than not it is.
I can see that, but sometimes it's hard to get those types to play together.
There have been plenty of good teams that whipped a criminal team's arse if they are well coached.
See Boise whipping OU, Boise whipping VT, PSU beating Miami in 86, and I wouldn't exactly say that LSU's team is full of criminals. When I think of a team full of criminals, you're talking about the U.
Also, OSU over Miami in 2002.
Posted on 8/30/12 at 9:10 am to SPEEDY
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The vast majority of recruits that Pinkett was referring too give zero fricks about that.
I know. That's not the type of recruit any college should strive for, and they aren't necessary to win.
Are you still going to have some guys who smoke pot, get alcohol related arrests, and other college tomfoolery? Yes. But that's to be expected of ANY group of 100 kids between 18-22.
Posted on 8/30/12 at 9:11 am to WikiTiger
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FIFY
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WikiTiger
So, you're saying they're getting the recruits but coaching is the problem?
wait a minute, I thought you said coaching wasn't the problem?
Posted on 8/30/12 at 9:12 am to Moustache
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I can see that, but sometimes it's hard to get those types to play together.
I'm not saying the entire roster has to be on their 3rd strike like the U in the 80's....but I mean in key positions if you have a guy that isn't afraid to umm, lets just say "Stab someone, if they have to." it's probably a good thing.
I guess what I'm saying is, they have the mentality to be way better off in prison than you or I would. I'd at least want them leading my defense.
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Also, OSU over Miami in 2002.
led by a criminal RB. And again, I'm not saying they have to already be convicted of something, just have the mentality of a criminal.
This post was edited on 8/30/12 at 9:14 am
Posted on 8/30/12 at 9:12 am to loweralabamatrojan
The best teams are the ones that don't kick talented criminals off their teams.
Posted on 8/30/12 at 9:18 am to loweralabamatrojan
In order to field a solid college football team, first you need to establish a solid "five strikes and you're out" policy.
Posted on 8/30/12 at 9:19 am to Moustache
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So, you're saying they're getting the recruits but coaching is the problem?
wait a minute, I thought you said coaching wasn't the problem?
No, my argument for years has been that ND is a has been in college football, and while they may field a good team here and there, they will be a consistent 7-9 win program, but that's about it. And the reason is because of:
-geographic population shift
-academic requirements
-unattractive location
-technological developments that allow all teams to be on TV nowadays thus negating the advantage ND gained by their NBC contract
-no conference affiliation
They could hire Nick Saban up there and they would still be a consistent 7-9 win program with an occasional great year.
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