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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 4/13/15 at 6:49 pm to blueboy
Posted on 4/13/15 at 6:49 pm to blueboy
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Disagree. Ramsay's previous letters are far more eloquent, and his dialogue doesn't match that letter. Plus, even though he's been legitimized, I'm not sure he'd repeatedly use the word "bastard" like that, even to provoke someone.
While I agree that it's not as elegant as his first letter (can't think of another he wrote), Ramsay is panicking and knows they're fricked. I honestly don't think we'll see Roose Bolton again, with Wyman Manderly and Lady Dustin butchering many of the Freys and Boltons, but I think Ramsay will escape, retreat to the Dreadfort, and then march on Castle Black. I just think Ramsay is a natural rival for Jon, and his character was easy to come up with since I think GRRM just thought of the exact antithesis to Jon and made him a character.
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Posted on 4/13/15 at 7:19 pm to OMLandshark
The battle of the bastards. I like it.
Posted on 4/13/15 at 10:19 pm to Carson123987
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explain pls
Brienne leaks who she fights this season
although i feel like this post is full of shite and it was somehow talking about her fight last year with the hound
This post was edited on 4/13/15 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 4/13/15 at 10:51 pm to CE Tiger
I don't see how that could happen. Robert Strong v. Brienne would take more than a major plot alteration, but I wouldn't put it past the hard lesbians at HBO.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 7:19 am to blueboy
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Robert Strong v. Brienne would take more than a major plot alteration
Isn't everything in the books pointing to Robert Strong (Gregor reborn as a zombie) versus The Gravedigger (The Hound reborn as a holy warrior)?
I mean - when you look at many of these character "rebirth" is what Martin is going for - not everybody gets it (Ned, Robb), but Dany, Cat, Gregor have all suffered a literal death (or nearly so) and had their story continue (Not to mention the whole Donderrion story line). Coldhands (has to be a story there).
And either Arya or Sandor has to kill Robert Strong (Gregor) or all that foreshadowing and storytelling is wasted, isn't it? I almost expect them to cooperate on it, although that would take some creative writing at this point.
This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 7:21 am
Posted on 4/14/15 at 8:14 am to Ace Midnight
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Isn't everything in the books pointing to Robert Strong (Gregor reborn as a zombie) versus The Gravedigger (The Hound reborn as a holy warrior)?
Agreed, and I have a Crackpot theory on how it will happen. Once the Others break through the Wall, the Wall's magical protection will cease to be, and Robert Strong will immediately go nuts when the Wall falls and slay half of King's Landings court, only to flee North to fight with the Others. The final battle on the Trident between Robert Strong and the Hound will be the Hound wielding a flaming sword, and with Gregor now vulnerable to fire, he will kill him with the flaming sword.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 8:22 am to OMLandshark
Wow. That is a crackpot theory.
I was thinking more along the lines of a trial by combat for Cersei - she selects Robert Strong (her replacement for Jaime and Tywin all in one, but bigger, quieter and more obedient) and the Swallows or whatever, pick their initiate - the gravedigger.
But your way is significantly more dramatic and tied into the larger story.
I was thinking more along the lines of a trial by combat for Cersei - she selects Robert Strong (her replacement for Jaime and Tywin all in one, but bigger, quieter and more obedient) and the Swallows or whatever, pick their initiate - the gravedigger.
But your way is significantly more dramatic and tied into the larger story.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 8:36 am to OMLandshark
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OMLandshark
I think you might be on to something with the whole zombie fighting with the Others theory. I've never considered the idea of Qyburn actually turning Gregor into an Other. We see on the show the King of the Others turn Craster's child, so it obviously can be done. Would be pretty crazy if Qyburn turns out to be an agent of the Others and when the shite hits the fan Other Gregor goes on a rampage.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 8:45 am to Ace Midnight
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And either Arya or Sandor has to kill Robert Strong (Gregor) or all that foreshadowing and storytelling is wasted, isn't it? I almost expect them to cooperate on it, although that would take some creative writing at this point.
One thing I believe is that Gurm doesn't have a real concrete plot line ala Harry Potter and JK Rowlings. He may have an ending mind, but IMO, he has no idea how to get there. He's writing these books more like a soap opera that doesn't know what will happen past a few weeks.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 9:21 am to alajones
I somewhat agree with you. This series was originally supposed to be 3 books long. GRRM had an ending to those 3 books and I think it is pretty much the same on a grand scale. I think when he was getting into the meat of Clash he saw all the different branches that he could expand upon and made the decision to add more books. I do think he let it get away from him a little too much and he is struggling to tie up all the loose ends. He has his general outline down almost assuredly.
A perfect example of the expansion and how it is likely that a lot doesn't have a true impact on the end game is Young Griff/Aegon. When did he introduce him? Book 5. What was he writing before and after Book 5? The Mystery Knight which dealt with the Blackfyre element. So while he is expanding he thinks of what interesting elements he can add to the story and decides on Blackfyre. Aegon Blackfyre is not going to make it. He will either attempt to ride a dragon and choose the wrong mount, many Targaryens died attempting to mount dragons that weren't meant for them, or he will be killed in battle. End game remains unaffected, but we got another book with another serious contender to make us wonder about who sits the Iron Throne at the end. I hate that it is taking him this long, but if it's the price to pay for having the series extended from 3 books to 7, I'm willing to accept the consequences.
A perfect example of the expansion and how it is likely that a lot doesn't have a true impact on the end game is Young Griff/Aegon. When did he introduce him? Book 5. What was he writing before and after Book 5? The Mystery Knight which dealt with the Blackfyre element. So while he is expanding he thinks of what interesting elements he can add to the story and decides on Blackfyre. Aegon Blackfyre is not going to make it. He will either attempt to ride a dragon and choose the wrong mount, many Targaryens died attempting to mount dragons that weren't meant for them, or he will be killed in battle. End game remains unaffected, but we got another book with another serious contender to make us wonder about who sits the Iron Throne at the end. I hate that it is taking him this long, but if it's the price to pay for having the series extended from 3 books to 7, I'm willing to accept the consequences.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 9:41 am to Mr. Wayne
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I've never considered the idea of Qyburn actually turning Gregor into an Other.
Let's noodle on this - now the Brienne fighting Robert Strong/Gregor makes a little more sense. How many capable warriors are wielding Valyrian steel right now (the supply of dragonglass at the wall is very, very small)? It is only theorized by Jon and Sam (at least where I'm at in the books) - and never confirmed in practice, but if that is the third option - fire, dragonglass, Valyrian steel - then, the best person in the south, at this point, to fight an "Other" Gregor (or even a Wight Gregor) would be Brienne, wouldn't it?
This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 10:18 am
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:53 am to Ace Midnight
I don't buy the Gravedigger theory. I think the vagueness of Sandor's death scene was to lead the readers into believing that he might still be alive when Rorge goes raiding while wearing his helmet.
If Brienne fights Strong on the show, I think it's just the SJW's at HBO wanting the woman to be better than all of the men.
If Brienne fights Strong on the show, I think it's just the SJW's at HBO wanting the woman to be better than all of the men.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 11:25 am to blueboy
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I don't buy the Gravedigger theory
You would be one of the few. I'm almost as certain that the Gravedigger is Sandor as I am the R+L=JS. It's pretty much spelled out in Feast.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 11:30 am to Mr. Wayne
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Gravedigger is Sandor
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It's pretty much spelled out in Feast.
this.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 11:32 am to Midget Death Squad
he burnt half his brother's face off. gotta be the gravedigger to kill him. or they kill each other
Posted on 4/14/15 at 12:53 pm to Ace Midnight
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then, the best person in the south, at this point, to fight an "Other" Gregor (or even a Wight Gregor) would be Brienne, wouldn't it?
You would be correct. Only people wielding Valyrian Steel are:
Randyll Tarly
Lynn Corbray
Jon Snow
Harras Harlaw
House Drumm
Tommen
Brienne
Tarly is formidable enough and could benefit greatly by knocking off Cersei. He is sworn to Tyrell, so I see a small chance they could put him up to it.
Corbay, Harlaw, Drumm, Jon and Tommen are not candidates for different reasons.
If the Valyrian Steel theory holds true, and Strong is actually now an Other, Tarly and Brienne would be the only two warriors capable of defeating Strong. I've been crackpotting for about an hour straight now trying to figure out if their is some connection with who the Elder Brother is and a lost Valyrian Steel sword, but nothing is clicking. Things seem to wash up there a decent amount though so it has me intrigued. Orphan Maker and Vigilance were both lost somewhat close to the Isles during the Battle of Tumbleton. (Blacks vs Greens) Lamentation was lost in King's Landing so it's less likely. Maybe Sandor is given one of these lost blades and sent to end his brother once and for all.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 1:02 pm to Mr. Wayne
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Orphan Maker and Vigilance were both lost somewhat close to the Isles during the Battle of Tumbleton.
These are possible sources to place on in Sandor's hands. The Tar/Lan house will not be likely to consent to Tommen's sword be used in my trial by combat hypo (which is how I think it is going to go down - we've seen a recurring theme, although the first 2 involved Tyrion's fate, directly.) Now, it's possible that Jaime could get Widow's Wail into The Gravedigger/Sandor's hands in my hypo - should it become known that's the only way to stop him. Not sure how conflicted he's going to be on that, though. Their (the twins) relationship is certainly going south (I'm almost 1/3 of the way through the combined edition of Book 4 and 5).
This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 4/14/15 at 1:39 pm to Ace Midnight
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I'm almost 1/3 of the way through the combined edition of Book 4 and 5)
The only way to read them. Elevated both books to an entirely new level. History and plotting in Feast, action and plotting in Dance.
I forget Brienne is bringing Jaime to Stoneheart who happens to be at the Inn at the Crossroad which is very near the Quiet Isles. Oathkeeper could make it's way to Sandor as well. He did make an oath that he would be the one to kill his brother.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 1:42 pm to Mr. Wayne
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You would be one of the few. I'm almost as certain that the Gravedigger is Sandor as I am the R+L=JS. It's pretty much spelled out in Feast.
Maybe. After reading a full analysis, I'm more persuaded. I admit, I read all of the books non stop over about three weeks, so by that point, I was a little zombified myself.
I'm totally on board with the Northern Conspiracy, and I'm going to go out on a limb and presume that I'm not the only one who's pissed that there's no Strong Belwas in the show.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 1:53 pm to blueboy
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I read all of the books non stop over about three weeks, so by that point, I was a little zombified myself.
Did the same thing. On my first re-read I went a lot slower and was all like
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I'm going to go out on a limb and presume that I'm not the only one who's pissed that there's no Strong Belwas in the show.
He would have been fun to see. Loved him in the books and hate that they gave Daario his bad arse scene. I hate Daario something fierce.
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