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wickowick  LSU Fan Head of Island Member since Dec 2006 12794 posts

| House panel votes to place Holder in contempt of Congress (Posted on 6/20/12 at 3:20 pm)
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jamboybarry  LSU Fan Rill talk Member since Feb 2011 8281 posts

| re: House panel votes to place Holder in contempt of Congress (Posted on 6/20/12 at 3:21 pm to wickowick)
23-17 AYES HAVE IT
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constant cough  New Orleans Saints Fan Lafayette Member since Jun 2007 28336 posts

| re: House panel votes to place Holder in contempt of Congress (Posted on 6/20/12 at 3:21 pm to wickowick)
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TygerTyger  LSU Fan Houston Member since Oct 2010 2601 posts

| re: House panel votes to place Holder in contempt of Congress (Posted on 6/20/12 at 3:22 pm to constant cough)
frick yeah. 
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Fusaichi Pegasus  Oregon Fan SSAS Member since Oct 2010 6888 posts

| re: House panel votes to place Holder in contempt of Congress (Posted on 6/20/12 at 3:23 pm to wickowick)
link?
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wickowick  LSU Fan Head of Island Member since Dec 2006 12794 posts

| re: House panel votes to place Holder in contempt of Congress (Posted on 6/20/12 at 3:23 pm to Fusaichi Pegasus)
Straight party line vote 23-17 for contempt.
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GRTiger  USA Fan On a roof eating alligator pie Member since Dec 2008 12184 posts

| re: House panel votes to place Holder in contempt of Congress (Posted on 6/20/12 at 3:23 pm to constant cough)
Pass in the house, fail in the senate, amirite?
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kingbob  LSU Fan St. Amant, LA Member since Nov 2010 8978 posts

| re: House panel votes to place Holder in contempt of Congress (Posted on 6/20/12 at 3:23 pm to Fusaichi Pegasus)
now what?
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Interception Providence Fan Member since Nov 2008 8566 posts

| re: House panel votes to place Holder in contempt of Congress (Posted on 6/20/12 at 3:23 pm to wickowick)
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CptBengal  USA Fan BR Baby Member since Dec 2007 30509 posts

| re: House panel votes to place Holder in contempt of Congress (Posted on 6/20/12 at 3:24 pm to kingbob)
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now what?
now the full house votes.
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NC_Tigah  LSU Fan Member since Sep 2003 40104 posts

| re: House panel votes to place Holder in contempt of Congress (Posted on 6/20/12 at 3:25 pm to GRTiger)
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Pass in the house, fail in the senate, amirite?
You are.
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Decatur  LSU Fan Member since Mar 2007 14879 posts

| re: House panel votes to place Holder in contempt of Congress (Posted on 6/20/12 at 3:25 pm to wickowick)
The Dog and Pony Show continues...
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kingbob  LSU Fan St. Amant, LA Member since Nov 2010 8978 posts

| re: House panel votes to place Holder in contempt of Congress (Posted on 6/20/12 at 3:25 pm to CptBengal)
what I mean is "if the house votes aye that Eric Holder is in contempt of court, what happens to Holder?"
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GumboPot  LSU Fan Saints Fan Member since Mar 2009 17354 posts

| re: House panel votes to place Holder in contempt of Congress (Posted on 6/20/12 at 3:27 pm to GRTiger)
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Pass in the house, fail in the senate, amirite?
Is the senate relevant in these proceedings?
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wickowick  LSU Fan Head of Island Member since Dec 2006 12794 posts

| re: House panel votes to place Holder in contempt of Congress (Posted on 6/20/12 at 3:27 pm to kingbob)
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what I mean is "if the house votes aye that Eric Holder is in contempt of court, what happens to Holder?"
I have posted this before... LINK Fast and Furious: Why Eric Holder Will Lose the Legal Fight
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Here’s the process for how the fight will unfold, if Issa continues to move forward: Issa’s committee will vote to hold Eric Holder in contempt of Congress. Then the contempt citation goes to the House floor for a vote, because only the full House or Senate can hold someone in contempt. It then goes to the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia to launch a criminal prosecution in federal court. The problem, of course, is that federal prosecutors are part of DOJ. So all 93 U.S. attorneys work for--that’s right--Attorney General Holder. It’s a foregone conclusion that Ronald Machen--the U.S. attorney for D.C.--is not going to try to send his boss to prison. This is especially true given that Machen is a rising star among Democrats in the legal community with a perfect résumé, making him competitive for a top position at DOJ or perhaps a federal judgeship. So then the House must bring a lawsuit of its own. The Supreme Court held in the 1997 case Raines v. Byrd that only the full House can initiate such a suit. So there would be another House vote, this time authorizing Issa to file a civil suit in D.C.’s federal district court on behalf of the House, seeking a court order to compel Holder to provide all the testimony and documents Issa has subpoenaed.
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The only defense Holder can assert is to say that these documents are protected by executive privilege. That’s the doctrine that the president and his subordinates are independent of Congress, and that certain information can be kept secret to enable each president and his administration to do their jobs effectively. Though often asserted when information is sought regarding the president’s confidential conversations or for decisions involving military decisions or foreign diplomacy, executive privilege can be attempted whenever someone in an administration does not want to comply with a congressional subpoena.
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But Holder will lose that legal fight if Issa and House Republicans persist in pursuing this investigation, as they should. This is in part because there are two types of executive privilege, as I explain in an academic publication. The first is the presidential communications privilege, which shields conversations a president has with his advisors. It’s rooted in the Constitution’s separation of powers, and allows every president to receive candid advice on how to discharge his duties. That privilege only extends to communications directly involving the president, however, so instead Holder can only assert the second type of executive privilege, called the deliberative process privilege. It’s a common-law doctrine that is not found in the Constitution, and as such is a much weaker defense. Two centuries of legal precedent strongly suggest that if Holder tries claiming that this weaker form of executive privilege empowers him to refuse to answer Congress, the courts will smack Holder down--hard. No doubt Holder would appeal his loss to the D.C. Circuit appeals court, where he should lose again. If Obama is reelected but Republicans keep the House, then this fight could eventually even reach the Supreme Court. Sooner or later, the truth will come out. And then all Americans--including the four million members of the NRA--will learn the full truth of this modern version of Iran-Contra, a scandal that could bring down Obama’s attorney general, and possibly even his presidency.
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GRTiger  USA Fan On a roof eating alligator pie Member since Dec 2008 12184 posts

| re: House panel votes to place Holder in contempt of Congress (Posted on 6/20/12 at 3:28 pm to GumboPot)
I'm pretty sure the vote goes to the senate if it passes the house.
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Aubie Spr96  Auburn Fan lolwut? Member since Dec 2009 10106 posts

| re: House panel votes to place Holder in contempt of Congress (Posted on 6/20/12 at 3:29 pm to wickowick)
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Straight party line vote 23-17 for contempt.
Does anyone is Washington, DC have a fricking spine? Either the guy is in contempt of Congress or he's not. It's really that simple and the R or D next to your name shouldn't matter. We are so fricked.....
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LSUnKaty  LSU Fan Katy, TX Member since Dec 2008 2271 posts

| re: House panel votes to place Holder in contempt of Congress (Posted on 6/20/12 at 3:30 pm to Decatur)
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The Dog and Pony Show continues...
Come now. Don't talk that way about your Majesty Obama's White House
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GumboPot  LSU Fan Saints Fan Member since Mar 2009 17354 posts

| re: House panel votes to place Holder in contempt of Congress (Posted on 6/20/12 at 3:31 pm to GRTiger)
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I'm pretty sure the vote goes to the senate if it passes the house.
If you haven't already see wickowick's post above.
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CptBengal  USA Fan BR Baby Member since Dec 2007 30509 posts

| re: House panel votes to place Holder in contempt of Congress (Posted on 6/20/12 at 3:31 pm to GumboPot)
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Is the senate relevant in these proceedings?
no.
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