re: Quick Breakdown of Losses Under Miles

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Maybe I need to S P E L L I T O U T A
L I T T L E S L O W E R F O R Y O U...

I wonder just how CLM will get in the way of the offense this year. Do you need more of an explanation?

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Ohhhhhhhhhh, You're one of them... Just wanted to make sure I needed to look over your useless posts from now on.

Thanks!

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Ohhhhhhhhhh, You're one of them... Just wanted to make sure I needed to look over your useless posts from now on.

Thanks

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Nope. I'm not "one of them". I simply replied to your statement likewise.

Read my posts on this board. I'm not condemning CLM. I'm simply showing that he doesn't belong on the pedestal that many seem to have him on and why I'm not drinking the KoolAid that so many are consuming.

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Read my posts on this board. I'm not condemning CLM. I'm simply showing that he doesn't belong on the pedestal that many seem to have him on and why I'm not drinking the KoolAid that so many are consuming.

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he's the winningest coach in school history, winningest coach in the SEC since he arrived, consistent 11 win seasons, consistent top 10 finishes, always competes for SEC and National championships......but yea, you stay away from that Kool-aid awesome guy

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But, he has lost some games in ways he should have never lost.

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i'll give you the '09 Ole Miss game and all around shitty perfomance in the NC game. other than that i can't think of any "really stupid losses". keep in mind, the guy is going into his 8th season

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Drink the KoolAid and keep focusing on one and denying the other

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No one has denied any loss or failure by Miles. The point is that he has so ridiculously few of them compared to virtually every single coach in college football that it is laughable for people to be critical of his performance as the coach of this program. And yet, people still are.

I'd like to quantify this "koolaid" you keep referring to, however: how many coaches in college football right now do you believe do a better job of coaching -- considering all aspects of running the program, hiring assistants, recruiting, scheming, gameday, etc; ALL the things that go into putting the product on the field -- than Les Miles?

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I never said there was a list of "Elite" coaches

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There is a list of coaches who have a history of "Elite" results in college football and Miles is firmly planted on that list.

If you can't see that, then you are the one not getting it.

Miles leads all of BCS coaches in wins and all of SEC coaches in wins since 05. That all took place when the SEC has been hands down the most powerful conference in college football. We lead the West in titles since 05, no SEC team has more SEC titles, and we lead the nation in our OOC record.

You concentrate on a few bad L's and I'll concentrate on the wins needed to make the above true and LSU one of the elite schools in the nation.

BTW, what coach doesn't have "stupid losses" in his coaching resume?

Some of us need to wake up and smell the coffee before this very best period in LSU football history is.....history!

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If there was a way to resolve such a wager, I'd bet every penny I could scrounge or borrow that we'd have made that championship game if we'd gone undefeated.

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I hear ya King. I would do the same and one of us would certainly come out happier than the other!

And I certainly understand that Katrina/03/Auburn would have and SHOULD HAVE given LSU a great shot, but looking at LSU and UT from 2005, I just can't objectively believe that we would have ever jumped them.

I just think you're underestimating how respected that UT team was.

UT was such a preseason favorite after VY put on a highlight reel in the Rose Bowl the year before that they were not only #2 in the coaches' preseason poll, but they even snagged 2 first place votes from USC, which was pretty shocking to be honest. They were almost 150 points ahead of the #3 team. LSU was #6, 300 points behind UT.

UT then went to Columbus in the second week of the season and beat a top ten Buckeye team in primetime in front of a national audience in a game that had been built up all offseason.

From that point on, UT went on to destroy everyone they played, averaging well over 50 points a game and allowing over 20 points just twice. All while Vince Young was putting on his Heisman Trophy highlight reel every single week.

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The media and coaches still favored the USCs, OUs and OSUs of the world, two of which UT beat in 2005

But when selection day occurred, they had beaten only one

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No, I meant that UT had beaten OU and OSU already in 05. Both media darlings.

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Katrina sympathy didn't stop LSU from falling from a BCS bowl to all the way to the Peach Bowl after the SECCG loss.

True, but we were blown out by Georgia. An embarassing loss in the last game of the season is almost guaranteed to drop any 2-loss non-conference champ team out of a BCS bowl.

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Agreed, but where was the Katrina sympathy after our heartbreaking OT Monday night loss to top 10 UT right after a second hurricane forced us to move the game, when we dropped all the way out of the top 10?

We fell that far because honestly the voters never really bought into us IMO, especially with the coaching change.

We fell all the way to #11, and it took us until the end of November to climb back up to #3, pretty much solely because of teams ahead of us losing, not us jumping teams because of our team impressing pollsters on the field.

LSU played close games all season long against what was actually a down SEC slate, which I simply don't believe was very impressive to voters, although it was certainly impressive to all of us LSU fans who watched with pride week after week. Remember Herbstreit, Alberts and the Primetime crew dismissing LSU's gritty OT win over Auburn, basically saying Auburn was the better team and LSU just got lucky because they missed a bunch of FGs (conveniently forgetting that Bowe dropped 2 sure TDs).

All this while Vince Young and UT were annihilating the Big 12 and setting up a Reggie/VY Heisman showdown.

And while I agree that the perspective on our team would have been a bit different had we held on to win a close one against UT, I truly think that LSU's close wins against a down SEC, and the lack of a superstar player (JR's play was far from what made him the #1 pick after 06, in fact many of our idiot "fans" didn't even think JR should be the starter going into 06), would have prevented LSU from jumping over such a preseason favorite as UT.

Especially when UT did nothing to put any doubt in the minds of the voters. In fact, UT had closed the gap on USC and actually had picked up 14 first place votes going into late November.

It would have been heartbreaking and infuriating,especially given how amazing in would have been for that team to go undefeated after everything they had been through, but I simply don't think the voters would have jumped UT.

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And if anyone thinks ESPN (and every other sports media business) wouldn't do everything in their power to pull in literally the biggest story in the world to their sports championship, then they just haven't been paying attention to the media.

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And believe me I know all about the media, but I really think the networks wanted to see VY take on USC.

LSU's story would have been great, yes. But I just don't think many people actually would have thought we were going to give USC a better game than UT, and that's truly what the networks are all about: Ratings.

USC v. UT had 35 million viewers, shattering the old record for college football set in 1995 for Nebraska and Miami. It pulled a 21.7 Neilson rating, highest in college football history, beating the record set by the 1987 Fiesta Bowl with Penn State and Miami.

People wanted to see USC play UT. Bottom line.

And honestly, I can't really say I disagree. As much as I love that team, and think it's possibly Miles' most impressive feat, I can't honestly say I think that team was as good as UT or USC in 05. We would have had a chance against anybody, but we would have been pretty big underdogs against either of those two teams, and I can see why. We were a young team growing into the juggernaut that would take the field in 06 and 07. Honestly, we just weren't quite at their level yet in 05 IMO.

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We also beat them and finished with a better record overall.

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That's the same thing as saying "We shot them in the arm, but they shot us in the head."

Miles' record is light-yrs ahead of Schembechler's. Bo piled up so many conference wins by dominating the "Big 2, Little 8". One only needs to look at Bo's 5-12 bowl record compared to Miles' 5-2.

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06 still lingers cus we were the best team at end of season imo. That uf game was jmarcs worst game in a tiger uni, couple that with the close calls in the aub game. 08,09 we just werent that good, def no where near as good defensively as we have besn last 2 seasons under chavis.

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I couldn't agree more! The UF loss was OK...it was the Auburn loss that kept us out of the SEC championship game, where we would have beaten Florida in the rematch. (Just like Bama did to us this year.) And then we would have beaten OSU two years in a row in the NC game. One of my brothers-in-law is a Gator alum and big fan, and even he admitted that by the end of the season we were better than them. Sigh.....