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NICK TOON Scouting Reports, Video, Vitt comments, etc
Posted on 4/28/12 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 4/28/12 at 12:19 pm
first thing that comes to mind... Colston II
Toon has the size, strength, and ball skills to be a solid possession receiver upon entering the NFL. He won't blow past many receivers on out routes, but he can use his size to his advantage in order to make plays down the field.
Toon ran a good, but not great 4.54 40-yard dash at the combine. The problem is that his game film will be tough for teams to glean a lot of information from. Wisconsin spends so much time focusing on their running game that it is tricky to watch him break press coverage and run routes throughout a game.
The Badgers have produced a few solid pass-catchers in the NFL -- including Lee Evans, Travis Beckum, Owen Daniels, Lance Kendricks and Jim Leonhard -- so the lineage is there for those who were successful at Wisconsin to become NFL pros. Toon needs to work on his ability to seal the edge as a run-blocker. He sometimes drop what should be sure catches, but has really improved upon this over his last two seasons. When route-running, he'll need to clean up his footwork and make sharper cuts.
Toon is one of the top senior receivers in this class. His father, Al, was a former player with the New York Jets.
Toon has the size, strength, and ball skills to be a solid possession receiver upon entering the NFL. He won't blow past many receivers on out routes, but he can use his size to his advantage in order to make plays down the field.
Toon ran a good, but not great 4.54 40-yard dash at the combine. The problem is that his game film will be tough for teams to glean a lot of information from. Wisconsin spends so much time focusing on their running game that it is tricky to watch him break press coverage and run routes throughout a game.
The Badgers have produced a few solid pass-catchers in the NFL -- including Lee Evans, Travis Beckum, Owen Daniels, Lance Kendricks and Jim Leonhard -- so the lineage is there for those who were successful at Wisconsin to become NFL pros. Toon needs to work on his ability to seal the edge as a run-blocker. He sometimes drop what should be sure catches, but has really improved upon this over his last two seasons. When route-running, he'll need to clean up his footwork and make sharper cuts.
Toon is one of the top senior receivers in this class. His father, Al, was a former player with the New York Jets.
This post was edited on 4/28/12 at 5:23 pm
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Posted on 4/28/12 at 12:20 pm to blueslover
A tall, physically put together wide out with a good-sized frame, long arms and strong hands. Possesses a sudden element to his game off the line laterally. Knows how to set up receivers, uses his short area quickness to beat press, shrugs off contact well and can separate quickly away from his man. Doesn't have a great burst in and out of his breaks, but is sharp, uses his body well to shield defenders and adjusts cleanly to the football. Has a tendency to chop his feet and will waste some motion when trying to get out of his breaks, but widens/tightens his angles as he sees appropriate giving the QB more room to throw in all areas of the game. Does a nice job adjusting to throws, using his long arms to pluck off his frame and securing the catch. Gets a bit lazy at times letting throws get into his frame, but for the most part is a sound plucker.
His combination of power and short area quickness allows him to create somewhat for himself after the catch. Isn't a burner who can outrun angles and consistently make plays vertically behind corners. But secures the catch well, drops his pad level and can break tackles through contact. Isn't a real gifted vertical threat, but does have some jump ball ability. Is balanced, can be physical and will go up and make a play on the ball at its highest point. Hasn't been overly productive however, which has a lot to do with the offense and in a different scheme his numbers could be vastly different.
Impression: I like his size, short area quickness and ability to adjust to the football. Isn't a guy who is going to create consistently down the field, but knows how to gain enough separation, pluck and create after the catch. Looks like a guy who can play on the outside as a legit number two wide out running the inward breaking routes with some time, but isn't ever going to be a dynamic playmaker.
His combination of power and short area quickness allows him to create somewhat for himself after the catch. Isn't a burner who can outrun angles and consistently make plays vertically behind corners. But secures the catch well, drops his pad level and can break tackles through contact. Isn't a real gifted vertical threat, but does have some jump ball ability. Is balanced, can be physical and will go up and make a play on the ball at its highest point. Hasn't been overly productive however, which has a lot to do with the offense and in a different scheme his numbers could be vastly different.
Impression: I like his size, short area quickness and ability to adjust to the football. Isn't a guy who is going to create consistently down the field, but knows how to gain enough separation, pluck and create after the catch. Looks like a guy who can play on the outside as a legit number two wide out running the inward breaking routes with some time, but isn't ever going to be a dynamic playmaker.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 12:21 pm to blueslover
Strengths:
Prototypical size and overall build. Does a great job going up in traffic and making plays. Shows great body control; looks comfortable along the sideline. Does a nice job adjusting to poorly thrown balls. Tough receiver; willing to go across the middle. Strong route runner; very quick with his cuts. Gives a solid effort as a blocker. NFL bloodlines; father, Al, played receiver for the Jets.
Weaknesses:
Limited straight-line speed; not a serious threat to stretch the field. Lacks the quickness to shake defenders; may struggle to consistently get open at the next level and will need to be a pure possession receiver. Missed time with turf toe injury in 2010 and also a thigh bruise.
Comments:
What you see is what you get with Toon, which is both good and bad. The downside is he has a limited upside. But the positive is he is a very safe mid-round prospect. He was a solid No. 1 in college, but lacks that something extra to make him stand out as an NFL prospect. He does everything fairly well, but nothing great. Toon should be able to contribute at the next level, but will never be a difference maker.
Prototypical size and overall build. Does a great job going up in traffic and making plays. Shows great body control; looks comfortable along the sideline. Does a nice job adjusting to poorly thrown balls. Tough receiver; willing to go across the middle. Strong route runner; very quick with his cuts. Gives a solid effort as a blocker. NFL bloodlines; father, Al, played receiver for the Jets.
Weaknesses:
Limited straight-line speed; not a serious threat to stretch the field. Lacks the quickness to shake defenders; may struggle to consistently get open at the next level and will need to be a pure possession receiver. Missed time with turf toe injury in 2010 and also a thigh bruise.
Comments:
What you see is what you get with Toon, which is both good and bad. The downside is he has a limited upside. But the positive is he is a very safe mid-round prospect. He was a solid No. 1 in college, but lacks that something extra to make him stand out as an NFL prospect. He does everything fairly well, but nothing great. Toon should be able to contribute at the next level, but will never be a difference maker.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 12:21 pm to blueslover
Sounds like a prototypical Saints WR
Posted on 4/28/12 at 12:21 pm to blueslover
first thing that comes to mind...I wish we would have gone defense
Hope this guy works out.
Hope this guy works out.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 12:22 pm to LsuSaintsMan
sounds like after a high risk pick they ultra safe
Natural plucker who can catch while on the run... Great body control, can go up and make plays down the field, adjusts to the ball over either shoulder... Has great hands, doesn't drop many passes and can extend his arms to make catches outside his frame... Great at working the middle of
the field, is a tough receiver who is not afraid of contact... Had the best year of his career as a senior, benefited from having Russell Wilson throwing to him... Solid red zone target and can go up and make a play on fade routes... Should be a solid possession receiver at the next level, good route runner with great boundary awareness... Terrific NFL bloodlines, his father is Al Toon, former All-Pro receiver for the New York Jets... Very polished, should have a quick transition to the NFL, can run every route... Physical receiver who does a good job using his hands to fight off corners... Willing run blocker, was asked to block a ton at Wisconsin and his size and strength allow him to be above-average in this area... Combination of size and natural receiving ability makes him valuable and he should at minimum settle in as a #2 receiver at the next level.
Negatives -- Despite being a starter for most of his career, never dominated Big Ten competition, never had a 1,000 yard season... Beneficiary of having a lot of one-on-one coverage due to Wisconsin's rushing attack... Is not a burner, more of a one speed runner who can get down the field but lacks burst... Major injury concerns, missed games in three of four years due to injury... Doesn't have great lateral agility, struggles to make sharp cuts and has to gear down at times, will struggle to get separation at times.
Natural plucker who can catch while on the run... Great body control, can go up and make plays down the field, adjusts to the ball over either shoulder... Has great hands, doesn't drop many passes and can extend his arms to make catches outside his frame... Great at working the middle of
the field, is a tough receiver who is not afraid of contact... Had the best year of his career as a senior, benefited from having Russell Wilson throwing to him... Solid red zone target and can go up and make a play on fade routes... Should be a solid possession receiver at the next level, good route runner with great boundary awareness... Terrific NFL bloodlines, his father is Al Toon, former All-Pro receiver for the New York Jets... Very polished, should have a quick transition to the NFL, can run every route... Physical receiver who does a good job using his hands to fight off corners... Willing run blocker, was asked to block a ton at Wisconsin and his size and strength allow him to be above-average in this area... Combination of size and natural receiving ability makes him valuable and he should at minimum settle in as a #2 receiver at the next level.
Negatives -- Despite being a starter for most of his career, never dominated Big Ten competition, never had a 1,000 yard season... Beneficiary of having a lot of one-on-one coverage due to Wisconsin's rushing attack... Is not a burner, more of a one speed runner who can get down the field but lacks burst... Major injury concerns, missed games in three of four years due to injury... Doesn't have great lateral agility, struggles to make sharp cuts and has to gear down at times, will struggle to get separation at times.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 12:22 pm to blueslover
Posted on 4/28/12 at 12:23 pm to blueslover
One thing we lost when Meachem left was an excellent blocking WR (notice how Meachem was the WR on the field when we went to 1WR personnel groupings). I think that Toon will be a guy who can step in and play that role. Additionally, don't discount the value of having a father who played WR in the NFL.
Solid pickup.
Solid pickup.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 12:24 pm to blueslover
Hands: Turn on Wisconsin game tape and you won’t see Nick Toon drop many balls in his career. He catches most anything he can get his hands on. He has a solid frame with long arm allowing for a large catching radius. He very rarely allows the ball to get inside his frame and is a pure hands catcher. Very solid fundamentals catching the football.
Route Running: Disappointing route runner. I expected him to be great because his dad was a fantastic route runner. His lack of short area burst is evident getting in and out of breaks. He is has a longer stride that doesn’t allow him to be sudden enough to create a lot separation. He is fundamentally sound in terms of the actual route tree. He uses his head to set up double moves very well.
After the Catch: He doesn’t create a lot after the catch. He’s more of a slow twitched athlete that lacks the elusiveness to get by defenders. For his size (220) you expect him to be able to run through defenders but he doesn’t. He has a good stiff arm but it’s really his only effective tool to break free.
Athleticism: Toon has good football speed but isn’t an elite athlete which is probably why he won’t be taken in the first 50 picks of the 2012 NFL Draft. He is a good leaper and shows excellent body control in the air. He can’t create in the open field due to lack of agility and suddenness.
Bottom Line: Nick Toon has struggled his entire career with durability issues. His medical at the Combine will be very important because of concerns with recurrent foot injuries. What you see with Toon is what you get. A fundamentally sound receiver that has relatively low ceiling but should be able to contribute immediately in the NFL. I don’t see anything that jumps out to make me believe he’s an elite receiver or much more than a solid possession guy at the next level.
Draft Projection: Nick Toon will likely go in the late second, early third round but I have him a third to fourth.
Route Running: Disappointing route runner. I expected him to be great because his dad was a fantastic route runner. His lack of short area burst is evident getting in and out of breaks. He is has a longer stride that doesn’t allow him to be sudden enough to create a lot separation. He is fundamentally sound in terms of the actual route tree. He uses his head to set up double moves very well.
After the Catch: He doesn’t create a lot after the catch. He’s more of a slow twitched athlete that lacks the elusiveness to get by defenders. For his size (220) you expect him to be able to run through defenders but he doesn’t. He has a good stiff arm but it’s really his only effective tool to break free.
Athleticism: Toon has good football speed but isn’t an elite athlete which is probably why he won’t be taken in the first 50 picks of the 2012 NFL Draft. He is a good leaper and shows excellent body control in the air. He can’t create in the open field due to lack of agility and suddenness.
Bottom Line: Nick Toon has struggled his entire career with durability issues. His medical at the Combine will be very important because of concerns with recurrent foot injuries. What you see with Toon is what you get. A fundamentally sound receiver that has relatively low ceiling but should be able to contribute immediately in the NFL. I don’t see anything that jumps out to make me believe he’s an elite receiver or much more than a solid possession guy at the next level.
Draft Projection: Nick Toon will likely go in the late second, early third round but I have him a third to fourth.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 12:28 pm to blueslover
Posted on 4/28/12 at 12:56 pm to blueslover
Well I had the position right just wrong WR. 
Love the pick!! Gonna a be great addition!
Love the pick!! Gonna a be great addition!
This post was edited on 4/28/12 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 4/28/12 at 12:58 pm to Meateye
This is what I wrote about him preseason. I like the pick.
"Toon is in the Hines Ward mold of a WR. He has decent not great size at 6'3 215 but he is incredibly strong for his size and a good runner after the catch. He doesn't have elite top-end speed so he might not run an incredible 40 time - probably in the 4.5 range - but he has great acceleration so he plays faster than he tests. This allows him to get in and out of his breaks quickly and get the necessary separation that makes him an elite route runner.
He doesn't have Ward's mentality when it comes to run blocking - no WR really does - but he has the willingness to go over the middle and make the tough catch. If he can work on his concentration with the routine catches - he can make incredible catches but has lapses with the routine catches at time due to lack of focus - then he will be an incredible duo with Wilson. He's also a guy who has struggled with injuries and has never had a full season to display his talents."
Toon could fit in nicely for us.
"Toon is in the Hines Ward mold of a WR. He has decent not great size at 6'3 215 but he is incredibly strong for his size and a good runner after the catch. He doesn't have elite top-end speed so he might not run an incredible 40 time - probably in the 4.5 range - but he has great acceleration so he plays faster than he tests. This allows him to get in and out of his breaks quickly and get the necessary separation that makes him an elite route runner.
He doesn't have Ward's mentality when it comes to run blocking - no WR really does - but he has the willingness to go over the middle and make the tough catch. If he can work on his concentration with the routine catches - he can make incredible catches but has lapses with the routine catches at time due to lack of focus - then he will be an incredible duo with Wilson. He's also a guy who has struggled with injuries and has never had a full season to display his talents."
Toon could fit in nicely for us.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 1:02 pm to FootballNostradamus
where ya write at Nostra?
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At 6-2, 220, he has ideal receiver size. Plus, wide receiver is in his blood as his father was former NFL All Pro receiver and Wisconsin Badger Hall of Fame receiver, Al Toon. He has had some durability concerns which is the primary reason his draft stock has taken a hit. He has always shown great hands and football intelligence as you would expect due to his lineage. Last season, with the arrival of quarterback Russell Wilson, he was able to showcase it more and caught 64 passes for 926 yards and 10 touchdowns. He ran a 4.54 40-yard dash with a 39 inch vertical and a 10-10 broad jump.
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At 6-2, 220, he has ideal receiver size. Plus, wide receiver is in his blood as his father was former NFL All Pro receiver and Wisconsin Badger Hall of Fame receiver, Al Toon. He has had some durability concerns which is the primary reason his draft stock has taken a hit. He has always shown great hands and football intelligence as you would expect due to his lineage. Last season, with the arrival of quarterback Russell Wilson, he was able to showcase it more and caught 64 passes for 926 yards and 10 touchdowns. He ran a 4.54 40-yard dash with a 39 inch vertical and a 10-10 broad jump.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 1:15 pm to blueslover
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where ya write at Nostra?
I do some free-lance for a Clemson sports site, but I also put together my own personal 200-300 page college football preview each year that I distribute to friends and some journalists I've met over the year.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 1:19 pm to FootballNostradamus
39 inch vertical and a 10-10 broad jump?!? Good hands and big body.. Absolute love this pick.
I can see it now... Brees throws in his direction even though he's covered well but with his length and hands, he's able to snatch the ball out of the air before the DBs can locate it.
I can see it now... Brees throws in his direction even though he's covered well but with his length and hands, he's able to snatch the ball out of the air before the DBs can locate it.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 1:22 pm to supe12sta12z
nola.com triplett with Vitt comments-
The New Orleans Saints didn't go into this year's draft feeling like they had to land a wide receiver to help fill the void left by departed veteran Robert Meachem. They still have plenty of depth, with veteran Adrian Arrington likely to slide into the No. 4 receiver job behind fellow veterans Marques Colston, Lance Moore and Devery Henderson.
However, at this stage of the draft, the Saints are thinking about long-term potential, and they felt like Wisconsin receiver Nick Toon had more of that than any other player on their draft board.
If he shines early, he could certainly compete for playing time as a rookie in an offense that loves to spread the ball around. And the Saints could use some youth in one of their most veteran position groups. Henderson is 30 years old, and Colston and Moore both turn 29 this summer.
Toon is a big receiver at 6-2, 215, and Saints coach Joe Vitt compared him to a Colston type. His scouting report reads that way, too, describing him as tough with good hands. He set a school record with 171 career catches.
Toon had some minor injuries in college but nothing that concerned the Saints' medical staff. And as an added bonus, he is the son of former New York Jets receiver Al Toon. So as Vitt said, he's got it "in his blood."
Vitt said new Saints receivers coach Henry Ellard was especially high on Toon. He said the scouting department was also high on him. "Everyone felt great about him," Vitt said.
The New Orleans Saints didn't go into this year's draft feeling like they had to land a wide receiver to help fill the void left by departed veteran Robert Meachem. They still have plenty of depth, with veteran Adrian Arrington likely to slide into the No. 4 receiver job behind fellow veterans Marques Colston, Lance Moore and Devery Henderson.
However, at this stage of the draft, the Saints are thinking about long-term potential, and they felt like Wisconsin receiver Nick Toon had more of that than any other player on their draft board.
If he shines early, he could certainly compete for playing time as a rookie in an offense that loves to spread the ball around. And the Saints could use some youth in one of their most veteran position groups. Henderson is 30 years old, and Colston and Moore both turn 29 this summer.
Toon is a big receiver at 6-2, 215, and Saints coach Joe Vitt compared him to a Colston type. His scouting report reads that way, too, describing him as tough with good hands. He set a school record with 171 career catches.
Toon had some minor injuries in college but nothing that concerned the Saints' medical staff. And as an added bonus, he is the son of former New York Jets receiver Al Toon. So as Vitt said, he's got it "in his blood."
Vitt said new Saints receivers coach Henry Ellard was especially high on Toon. He said the scouting department was also high on him. "Everyone felt great about him," Vitt said.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 1:25 pm to supe12sta12z
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I can see it now... Brees throws in his direction even though he's covered well but with his length and hands, he's able to snatch the ball out of the air before the DBs can locate it.
When I watch video of him doing those back-shoulder catches, it gives me goosebumps how similar he is to Colston.
I think he might even have the edge in quickness & acceleration over Colston, as if I didn't absolutely love this pick already.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 1:33 pm to LSUFreek
when it was unknown if Colston would be back I had him pegged as perhaps the closest clone of him we could get- mid rounds to boot
Posted on 4/28/12 at 3:21 pm to supe12sta12z
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he's able to snatch the ball out of the air before the DBs can locate it.
...then he drops it.
He's had drop problems, but scouts think that has been fixed. I hope NFL speed doe not cuase him to start dropping the ball again.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 3:43 pm to djmicrobe
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