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"GW - All American" - Whitlock
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:49 am
Posted on 4/9/12 at 10:49 am
My bad if germans... didnt see anything on the front page.
enjoy:
"In the wake of the NFL bounty scandal, the Saints as the new “America’s Team” could not be more apropos.
We believe that sports reflect our society. And in the transition from Tom Landry’s Cowboys of the 1960s and ‘70s to Sean Payton’s Saints of the new millennium, we can see the deceit is all the same; the difference lies in the unvarnished, raw nature by which the truth is unmasked.
A work of fiction, the movie “North Dallas Forty” exposed the fraudulence of Landry’s dignified, sanctified and ethical pursuit of championships. Gregg Williams’ voice, captured unwittingly by a documentarian, revealed the depths to which Payton stooped to maintain the Saints as a national symbol of New Orleans’ rebirth from Hurricane Katrina.
Even after warnings from the league’s office, Payton could not reel Williams in from explicitly imploring Saints defenders to injure the knee of Michael Crabtree and attack the head of previously concussed return man Kyle Williams and other San Francisco players.
“Kill the head and the body will die,” Williams promised.
This column is not written to vilify Payton, Williams and the Saints. To the contrary, it’s written to engender sympathy and provide context and understanding.
Payton, Williams, Jonathan Vilma and all the Saints reflect what is true about modern American society. We’re cold, ruthless and unashamed in pursuit of the things we want. We no longer pretend fair play is important or valued. We condone torture. We’ve lost the courage to compromise, surrendering our national discourse to left and right extremists.
Journalists, the guardians of democracy, have mastered the art of ignoring authentic injustice and writing safe narratives that enhance their Twitter followings and/or ingratiate them with the sources they cover. Consider this: No sport has more “heavyweight” sports journalists covering it than the NFL, but commissioner Roger Goodell “broke” the Saints bounty scandal. Goodell is our editor.
While he pushes for an 18-game schedule, he is selling the myth that eliminating $1,000 bounties and explicit, tough-talking coaches will make the game more safe.
Gregg Williams is a scapegoat.
'KILL THE HEAD'
NFL commissioner must fight war on bounties by banning Gregg Williams for life, Mark Kriegel says.
Yes, I’ve heard the comments from NFL (Goodell) Network employees Michael Irvin and Warren Sapp criticizing Williams. I’ve heard the negative comments of a few current NFL players regarding Williams.
But I also know what some players really think: Gregg Williams reflects the times in which we live. Gregg Williams is just the kind of defensive coach they would love to play for. Gregg Williams speaks the language that it takes to be heard in this era.
Football players, like most American men, always will choose machismo over common sense. Athletes, like modern American society, focus on the development of their exterior and the way they’re perceived far more than their interior and intellect. When you struggle to think and reason, you bully and bomb.
Yeah, the Saints are “America’s Team” and football is our national pastime. These facts could not be more apropos.
“S**t is a joke, the Greg Williams audio, child please, come down to the inner city and listen to how football is coached and played as kids,” Chad Ochocinco tweeted.
The accuracy of Ochocinco’s sentiment is legitimate with or without the words “inner city.”
Coarse, explicit and hostile language is commonplace throughout modern American society. Young people play violent video games, listen to violent and explicit music, watch movies and TV shows that depict violence as an everyday occurrence.
Do we really think a football coach can emotionally reach youth bathed in violence without significantly turning up the rhetoric and hyperbole?
Our youth and our athletes are no different from us.
Ward Cleaver — The Beaver’s dad — no longer connects with us. Our symbol of American manhood and virtue is "Mad Men" icon Don Draper, a complicated womanizer. Think about it. You see his courage, fair-mindedness and virtue in the way he treats Peggy Olson, black people (a black secretary), a gay co-worker, etc. Ward Cleaver’s sanitized, preachy, end-of-show sermons to Wally and Beaver would be laughed off TV today. We accept and eat up Don’s morality plays because they’re wrapped in his own human failings.
We like filth. We’ve been socialized to expect it. Our hearts and minds respond to the extreme.
Gregg Williams played from the same playbook as Rush Limbaugh, Skip Bayless, Keith Olbermann, Michelle Malkin, Young Jeezy and all the rest. You have to shout to be heard. You must be crude and uncompromising and cold to connect. I’m a product of and benefactor of this modern environment. I have a filthy mouth. And I’m willing to be cruel to those I feel deserve it. I like to believe that I’m unwilling to be unfair, but that is for you to judge.
How unfair was Gregg Williams? That’s the question Roger Goodell should contemplate while Williams serves his indefinite suspension.
I don’t think he was unfair. I think Williams was all American."
LINK
enjoy:
"In the wake of the NFL bounty scandal, the Saints as the new “America’s Team” could not be more apropos.
We believe that sports reflect our society. And in the transition from Tom Landry’s Cowboys of the 1960s and ‘70s to Sean Payton’s Saints of the new millennium, we can see the deceit is all the same; the difference lies in the unvarnished, raw nature by which the truth is unmasked.
A work of fiction, the movie “North Dallas Forty” exposed the fraudulence of Landry’s dignified, sanctified and ethical pursuit of championships. Gregg Williams’ voice, captured unwittingly by a documentarian, revealed the depths to which Payton stooped to maintain the Saints as a national symbol of New Orleans’ rebirth from Hurricane Katrina.
Even after warnings from the league’s office, Payton could not reel Williams in from explicitly imploring Saints defenders to injure the knee of Michael Crabtree and attack the head of previously concussed return man Kyle Williams and other San Francisco players.
“Kill the head and the body will die,” Williams promised.
This column is not written to vilify Payton, Williams and the Saints. To the contrary, it’s written to engender sympathy and provide context and understanding.
Payton, Williams, Jonathan Vilma and all the Saints reflect what is true about modern American society. We’re cold, ruthless and unashamed in pursuit of the things we want. We no longer pretend fair play is important or valued. We condone torture. We’ve lost the courage to compromise, surrendering our national discourse to left and right extremists.
Journalists, the guardians of democracy, have mastered the art of ignoring authentic injustice and writing safe narratives that enhance their Twitter followings and/or ingratiate them with the sources they cover. Consider this: No sport has more “heavyweight” sports journalists covering it than the NFL, but commissioner Roger Goodell “broke” the Saints bounty scandal. Goodell is our editor.
While he pushes for an 18-game schedule, he is selling the myth that eliminating $1,000 bounties and explicit, tough-talking coaches will make the game more safe.
Gregg Williams is a scapegoat.
'KILL THE HEAD'
NFL commissioner must fight war on bounties by banning Gregg Williams for life, Mark Kriegel says.
Yes, I’ve heard the comments from NFL (Goodell) Network employees Michael Irvin and Warren Sapp criticizing Williams. I’ve heard the negative comments of a few current NFL players regarding Williams.
But I also know what some players really think: Gregg Williams reflects the times in which we live. Gregg Williams is just the kind of defensive coach they would love to play for. Gregg Williams speaks the language that it takes to be heard in this era.
Football players, like most American men, always will choose machismo over common sense. Athletes, like modern American society, focus on the development of their exterior and the way they’re perceived far more than their interior and intellect. When you struggle to think and reason, you bully and bomb.
Yeah, the Saints are “America’s Team” and football is our national pastime. These facts could not be more apropos.
“S**t is a joke, the Greg Williams audio, child please, come down to the inner city and listen to how football is coached and played as kids,” Chad Ochocinco tweeted.
The accuracy of Ochocinco’s sentiment is legitimate with or without the words “inner city.”
Coarse, explicit and hostile language is commonplace throughout modern American society. Young people play violent video games, listen to violent and explicit music, watch movies and TV shows that depict violence as an everyday occurrence.
Do we really think a football coach can emotionally reach youth bathed in violence without significantly turning up the rhetoric and hyperbole?
Our youth and our athletes are no different from us.
Ward Cleaver — The Beaver’s dad — no longer connects with us. Our symbol of American manhood and virtue is "Mad Men" icon Don Draper, a complicated womanizer. Think about it. You see his courage, fair-mindedness and virtue in the way he treats Peggy Olson, black people (a black secretary), a gay co-worker, etc. Ward Cleaver’s sanitized, preachy, end-of-show sermons to Wally and Beaver would be laughed off TV today. We accept and eat up Don’s morality plays because they’re wrapped in his own human failings.
We like filth. We’ve been socialized to expect it. Our hearts and minds respond to the extreme.
Gregg Williams played from the same playbook as Rush Limbaugh, Skip Bayless, Keith Olbermann, Michelle Malkin, Young Jeezy and all the rest. You have to shout to be heard. You must be crude and uncompromising and cold to connect. I’m a product of and benefactor of this modern environment. I have a filthy mouth. And I’m willing to be cruel to those I feel deserve it. I like to believe that I’m unwilling to be unfair, but that is for you to judge.
How unfair was Gregg Williams? That’s the question Roger Goodell should contemplate while Williams serves his indefinite suspension.
I don’t think he was unfair. I think Williams was all American."
LINK
This post was edited on 4/9/12 at 10:50 am
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:09 am to BobBoucher
I'm thinking about tl;dring.
Should I tl;dr?
Should I tl;dr?
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:12 am to Hoodoo Man
I read it, and although I agree with what he is saying, frick Whitlock.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:15 am to BobBoucher
Probably the only article he's written that i have not wanted to punch the screen of my computer. Actually agree with him for once.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:24 am to BobBoucher
Overly generalized garbage. A sad attempt to paint all of America with the same broad stroke. Projecting his own shortcomings onto others in order to justify and feel better about his own imperfections and immoral actions.
Obama has more impact than Limbaugh, Taylor Swift is more influential than Young Jeezy, and Sean Payton is a better coach than Williams.
Obama has more impact than Limbaugh, Taylor Swift is more influential than Young Jeezy, and Sean Payton is a better coach than Williams.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:39 am to TigerKnights
quote:
Overly generalized garbage. A sad attempt to paint all of America with the same broad stroke. Projecting his own shortcomings onto others in order to justify and feel better about his own imperfections and immoral actions.
Complete bullshite. There is a very large segment of our populace that has been appropriately painted by Whitlock's brush. What imoral actions are you refering to? That is pretty harsh slander.
This is the first article of Whitlock's that I can remember reading that I have basically agreed with.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:41 am to Hoodoo Man
quote:
I'm thinking about tl;dring.
Should I tl;dr?
I'm thinking the same thing. Did you get an answer yet?
Posted on 4/9/12 at 11:43 am to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:
This is the first article of Whitlock's that I can remember reading that I have basically agreed with.
Equates to I agree with him because I suffer from the same moral failings.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 12:04 pm to Hoodoo Man
quote:
I'm thinking about tl;dring.
Should I tl;dr?
No way you couldnt have known it would be long. It had "Whitlock" in the subject.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 12:24 pm to TigerKnights
quote:
TigerKnights
You left out the list of Whitlock's (and my) immoral acts.
Your posts are typical from a certain immature, uneducated segment of our society. I think you are exactly the type that Whitlock's brush appropriately painted.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
/sarcastic emoticons
Posted on 4/9/12 at 1:19 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:
You left out the list of Whitlock's (and my) immoral acts.
Your posts are typical from a certain immature, uneducated segment of our society. I think you are exactly the type that Whitlock's brush appropriately painted.
I'd be happy to list your immoral acts except it isn't relevant at all to what I said. I guess you aren't intelligent enough to grasp my point. I apologize if it was above your level.
Apparently you also failed to grasp what Whitlock's brush was conveying and who it was painting.
In the end your lack of intellect and maturity reflects exactly why you are in the same group as Whitlock. That which attempts to project their own faults onto others in order to feel better about themselves. I suppose this is the simpler route for simpler people.
Oh, and just in case you were curious you are in the minority. Hence why Whitlock is incorrect in his broad strokes.
/Discussion
Posted on 4/9/12 at 1:21 pm to TigerKnights
quote:
I'd be happy to list your immoral acts except it isn't relevant at all to what I said. I guess you aren't intelligent enough to grasp my point. I apologize if it was above your level.
Apparently you also failed to grasp what Whitlock's brush was conveying and who it was painting.
In the end your lack of intellect and maturity reflects exactly why you are in the same group as Whitlock. That which attempts to project their own faults onto others in order to feel better about themselves. I suppose this is the simpler route for simpler people.
Oh, and just in case you were curious you are in the minority. Hence why Whitlock is incorrect in his broad strokes.
/Discussion
I haven't read said article yet (still waiting on that answer, guys).
So, I don't know if you're right or wrong here.
But I can tell you that you sound like a smug douche.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 1:31 pm to Hoodoo Man
quote:
I haven't read said article yet (still waiting on that answer, guys).
So, I don't know if you're right or wrong here.
But I can tell you that you sound like a smug douche.
Naw I said Americans aren't as immoral and jaded as Whitlock makes them out to be. If that makes me a smug douche then oh well.
There are a lot of good people out there who shouldn't be disrespected just so someone who makes poor choices in life can feel better about themselves. Also, it really limits any sort of motivation to improve one's self since the first instinct is to justify rather than rectify.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 1:32 pm to TigerKnights
and you just proved yourself a hypocrite.
you just painted another poster in this thread with the same generalization "brush", that you are complaining that Whitlock did.
you just painted another poster in this thread with the same generalization "brush", that you are complaining that Whitlock did.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 1:32 pm to TigerKnights
Then just say that.
It was just your presentation that I found disconcerting.
It was just your presentation that I found disconcerting.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 1:55 pm to Thracken13
quote:
you just painted another poster in this thread with the same generalization "brush", that you are complaining that Whitlock did.
No I just said there are people like that and he may also fall into that group. It was said with a laugh. I don't know him personally.
Generally when someone agrees with this sort of behavior it is because they also participate in it. However there is the possible exception where he may simply feel America is full of jaded, obscene scum that can only be reached through the most vulgar and ultraviolent of messages while himself being a truly noble individual who has lost faith in his fellow man. Doubtful though.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 3:48 pm to TigerKnights
quote:
TigerKnights
quote:
Generally when someone agrees with this sort of behavior it is because they also participate in it.
Not one person, not Jason Whitlock or myself, said they agree with GW's actions. In fact it is my interpretation of the article to be that Whitlock is bemoaning the perils of a less gentile society and submitting that the actions of GW are an inevitable by-product of such. The increased polarization of our society, the slow but steady move to the extremes on most issues by an ever increasing segment of the worlds population has, in my opinion, led to many of our recent problems. Sadly there is no indication this trend is abating. I agree with him, if this is what he meant. Sorry you disagree.
Good day.
Posted on 4/9/12 at 3:53 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:
The increased polarization of our society, the slow but steady move to the extremes on most issues by an ever increasing segment of the worlds population has, in my opinion, led to many of our recent problems.
I dont think Whitlock ever has thoughts this deep, but i agree with you
Posted on 4/9/12 at 4:23 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:
Not one person, not Jason Whitlock or myself, said they agree with GW's actions. In fact it is my interpretation of the article to be that Whitlock is bemoaning the perils of a less gentile society and submitting that the actions of GW are an inevitable by-product of such. The increased polarization of our society, the slow but steady move to the extremes on most issues by an ever increasing segment of the worlds population has, in my opinion, led to many of our recent problems. Sadly there is no indication this trend is abating. I agree with him, if this is what he meant. Sorry you disagree.
Good day.
I beg to disagree. He states you must be crude, uncompromising, cruel, and vulgar to be heard in todays society due to desensitization from ultraviolent media. Thereby justifying Williams' and his own crude form of rhetoric.
He does mention peril of a polarized society. However it is my personal view that the right and not the left is comprised moreso of and controlled by extermists. This in turn is moving those on the left not further toward the opposite extreme, but rather pushing them toward the middle while alienating those on the right. I do agree this has prevented solutions though it is not the direct cause of the problems.
I'm unsure why you used gentile in this context rather than orthodox Christian or simply Christian. I fear correlating the polarization of society and our modern day problems in the global society with having a less "gentile" society is a dangerous misnomer.
In the end the most relevant counterexample is the most "gentile" of football players. Right next to this crude and uncompromising story sits a story about Tim Tebow. His intense popularity (not for on the field prowess, but off the field nobility) illustrates quite clearly that a large portion of our society still sees righteous men as heroic figures and that a message need not be "loud" to simply be heard.
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