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Another Edition of "Is This Bush League"
Posted on 4/5/12 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 4/5/12 at 4:04 pm
From Little League in Austin, TX - happened last night (no personal skin in this game):
Here is a snapshot of the setting - taking advantage of the 5 runs per inning limit:
The time is 7:17 and we are home team.
Both teams agreed the game would not have a new inning after 7:20 (because we started 5 min late).
We have one out. We have just scored 4 runs and now have a runner on 3rd base.
Our batter is two pitches into his at bat and I turn to look into the dugout.
Suddenly a ball is flying into the opening where our on deck batters are standing. I was uncertain where the ball came from and turned for clarification. At this moment, I am being told by the umpire (behind the plate) that this is an errant throw by the Nationals and my runner on 3rd needs to advance to home. I asked again for clarification.
At this moment, the National coaches are trying to help clarify that I need to send my guy home from 3rd (and the home plate umpire is in agreement). The home plate umpire’s words were, “There’s a first time for everything.”
So with less than a minute to play (approx 7:19) and only one out, I concede because the umpire is telling me I need to send my guy home. This move now means we will start a new inning before 7:20.
Here is a snapshot of the setting - taking advantage of the 5 runs per inning limit:
The time is 7:17 and we are home team.
Both teams agreed the game would not have a new inning after 7:20 (because we started 5 min late).
We have one out. We have just scored 4 runs and now have a runner on 3rd base.
Our batter is two pitches into his at bat and I turn to look into the dugout.
Suddenly a ball is flying into the opening where our on deck batters are standing. I was uncertain where the ball came from and turned for clarification. At this moment, I am being told by the umpire (behind the plate) that this is an errant throw by the Nationals and my runner on 3rd needs to advance to home. I asked again for clarification.
At this moment, the National coaches are trying to help clarify that I need to send my guy home from 3rd (and the home plate umpire is in agreement). The home plate umpire’s words were, “There’s a first time for everything.”
So with less than a minute to play (approx 7:19) and only one out, I concede because the umpire is telling me I need to send my guy home. This move now means we will start a new inning before 7:20.
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Posted on 4/5/12 at 4:10 pm to SwatMitchell
So did the other team just throw the ball into the dugout? 
Posted on 4/5/12 at 4:16 pm to SwatMitchell
Posted on 4/5/12 at 4:16 pm to BayouBengals03
Exactly.
This is kind of like letting the opponent score a TD late in a game in order to get the ball back and a chance at the other end.
However, there aren't "5 run limit" rules in real baseball, so IMO this is not teaching 11-12 year olds real gamesmanship - seams cheap
This is kind of like letting the opponent score a TD late in a game in order to get the ball back and a chance at the other end.
However, there aren't "5 run limit" rules in real baseball, so IMO this is not teaching 11-12 year olds real gamesmanship - seams cheap
Posted on 4/5/12 at 4:18 pm to SwatMitchell
So did the other team end up winning?
Posted on 4/5/12 at 4:19 pm to SwampDonks
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So did the other team end up winning?
But of course, I just happened to get copied on an email discussing the legitimacy of it all.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 4:23 pm to SwatMitchell
5 run/inning limit?
You referenced 12yo later. I can't believe there are run limits in a 12 yo league. Is that a LL rule? Local league rule?
Seems like a crappy rule!
Wait! Which player threw the ball into the dugout? If it was the pitcher, it should have been ruled a ball and I do not believe the advancement should be required.
You referenced 12yo later. I can't believe there are run limits in a 12 yo league. Is that a LL rule? Local league rule?
Seems like a crappy rule!
Wait! Which player threw the ball into the dugout? If it was the pitcher, it should have been ruled a ball and I do not believe the advancement should be required.
This post was edited on 4/5/12 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 4/5/12 at 4:26 pm to Boudreaux35
Yeah that's a shitty rule, but I would have done the same exact thing.
In to win. And kids enjoy it more when they win. No reason to set there and let the clock run out.
In to win. And kids enjoy it more when they win. No reason to set there and let the clock run out.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 4:29 pm to Boudreaux35
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If it was the pitcher, it should have been ruled a ball
Only if he was on the rubber.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 4:31 pm to Boudreaux35
I believe that it is a local league rule.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 4:36 pm to SwatMitchell
My first little league game we lost 18-2.
We didn't pout about it...instead we strung off 17 in a row and won the league championship.
We didn't pout about it...instead we strung off 17 in a row and won the league championship.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 5:51 pm to TXGunslinger10
this was definetely bush league. Coach probably told the kid to throw it in the dugout to score the run which would of been 5 runs so the other team would get to bat before the time limit was up.
Most little leagues use a run limit per inning nothing new about that
Most little leagues use a run limit per inning nothing new about that
Posted on 4/5/12 at 5:54 pm to Double Oh
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Coach probably told the kid to throw it in the dugout to score the run which would of been 5 runs so the other team would get to bat before the time limit was up.
Ya think?
Posted on 4/5/12 at 6:15 pm to SwatMitchell
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IMO this is not teaching 11-12 year olds real gamesmanship - seams cheap
Actually this is the definition of gamesmanship; what it is not, however, is sportsmanship.
Gamesmanship: The art or practice of using tactical maneuvers to further one's aims or better one's position. Being down 4, with the prospect of no more plate appearances, a loss is guaranteed. Throwing the ball in the dugout and conceding the run forces the inning's end, and gives them the slim hope of scoring 5 themselves in their turn at the bat.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 6:24 pm to BayouBengals03
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If it was the pitcher, it should have been ruled a ball Only if he was on the rubber.
he should of just balked
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