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How much better would Godfather III have been if Duvall was in it?
Posted on 3/4/12 at 4:19 am
Posted on 3/4/12 at 4:19 am
Originally, in Part III Duvall's character, Tom Hagen was supposed to be Michael's chief rival, fighting for control of the Corleone Family.
But Duvall wanted to be payed an equal amount to Pacino, since he would be his equal in this movie. He didnt get the money, he refused the part, and the producers decided to write his character out of the movie.
I hope most people agree that it would have been 10x better if Duvall was in it. It might have still been the worst of the trilogy, but Michael and Tom fighting for control of the family would have been a lot better than the whole Vatican banking scandal thing.
But Duvall wanted to be payed an equal amount to Pacino, since he would be his equal in this movie. He didnt get the money, he refused the part, and the producers decided to write his character out of the movie.
I hope most people agree that it would have been 10x better if Duvall was in it. It might have still been the worst of the trilogy, but Michael and Tom fighting for control of the family would have been a lot better than the whole Vatican banking scandal thing.
This post was edited on 3/4/12 at 4:21 am
Posted on 3/4/12 at 4:23 am to heehaw
Wasn't Tom dead by then? In the followup novel written by Mario Puzo's chosen succesor, he serves one term in Congress, then dies of cancer.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 4:56 am to Jim Rockford
Those books were written after the films though
Posted on 3/4/12 at 4:59 am to Jim Rockford
THE reason Tom is dead by that point is because Duvall refused to be in Part III. Instead of trying to replace Duvall they just wrote Tom out of the script. The movie never mentions how he dies, but one of the later books says he was murdered.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 5:32 am to heehaw
Yeh, the inner family battle would've been very intense. I don't see as many fans disappointed if that had been the case.
Duvall actually said something like, "You wanna pay Al twice as much as me, that's fine. But five times...come on!" I think I would've said the same seeing as how big of a role he was intended to have. Oh well, at least he got a golden globe for Lonesome Dove by passing up Part III.
Duvall actually said something like, "You wanna pay Al twice as much as me, that's fine. But five times...come on!" I think I would've said the same seeing as how big of a role he was intended to have. Oh well, at least he got a golden globe for Lonesome Dove by passing up Part III.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 7:02 am to heehaw
I love Duval. He's my all time favorite actor. But I doubt it would have been good even with him. I've read that Puzzo and Copala asked for 6 months to write/finish the script and the studio gave them 6 weeks and demanded the film be finished in time for a Christmas opening instead of the next spring/summer which is what those two wanted.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 10:22 am to heehaw
I would've loved to see that. Well that an the sort of incest storyline removed
Posted on 3/4/12 at 10:24 am to heehaw
Would've been much better. There was no real antagonist for Michael in the movie. Some shadowy people that no one could really relate to. I remember reading about it in the media when it came out. Apparently they were so dead set on getting it out for Christmas, puzo and coppoloa were up very late every night writing scripts and rushing through it. It showed in the script, which was real weak.
Then there is the whole cousin thing. GROSS.
Then there is the whole cousin thing. GROSS.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 10:35 am to heehaw
quote:Agree, but since Hagen wasn't Italian/Sicilian could he have even controlled the family?
I hope most people agree that it would have been 10x better if Duvall was in it. It might have still been the worst of the trilogy, but Michael and Tom fighting for control of the family would have been a lot better than the whole Vatican banking scandal thing.
Poor, GF III. Lot of talent, some interesting scenes, but IMO just too far off the bubble with the Vatican stuff. That helicopter scene was badass.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 11:02 am to heehaw
I never thought the Vatican bank part of plot was the problem. Of course having Duvall would have been better, but even better would have been having someone other than Sophia Coppola play Mary.
Like Return of the Jedi and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, it echos the first one.
Like Return of the Jedi and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, it echos the first one.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 11:41 am to H-Town Tiger
yeah, she was horrible. Wynona Ryder was supposed to play the part but did 3 films back to back and was exhausted.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 1:21 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Of course having Duvall would have been better, but even better would have been having someone other than Sophia Coppola play Mary.
this
Posted on 3/4/12 at 1:29 pm to TigerintheNO
1 & 2 were way better, 3 could have kept it competitive if Duvall was in it.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 3:12 pm to primemover225
I dont think Duvall's absence would have really made a difference, and I'm glad they didnt do the Michael v. Tom storyline, which I think sounded terrible. Part III wasnt THAT bad, I just think the script was, as has been pointed out, rushed, and they lacked direction towards the end. That and Sofia Coppola
Posted on 3/4/12 at 4:01 pm to REG861
I think Duvall would have made it better. It would have made for some interesting drama for sure. Michael and Tom did have a bit of an antagonistic relationship. Also, Tom was viewed as soft by both Sonny and Michael. It would be a good opportunity to show another side of the character. Plus, it would have been a logical conclusion of his mixed emotions towards Michael's way of running things that were built up in the previous movies.
It may have been pretty epic. Since the ensemble was cut down so much by this point, I think they needed him to round things out.
I'm sure they could have found about 25 great actresses that would have played Sofia's role in the movie in place of Ryder. I guess it does help to have your dad directing.
I also find it mind-boggling that the movie is +/- three hours like the previous films. Looking back on the movie it seems like it was just Al Pacino stumbling around for about half that time, and some cousin lovin' in between.
It may have been pretty epic. Since the ensemble was cut down so much by this point, I think they needed him to round things out.
I'm sure they could have found about 25 great actresses that would have played Sofia's role in the movie in place of Ryder. I guess it does help to have your dad directing.
I also find it mind-boggling that the movie is +/- three hours like the previous films. Looking back on the movie it seems like it was just Al Pacino stumbling around for about half that time, and some cousin lovin' in between.
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:18 pm to heehaw
How much better would a shite sandwich be if you put mayo on it?
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:22 pm to pooponsaban
After reading another Godfather thread a few months ago, I'm confused.
Was Micheal Corleone a bad guy who lost his family? Or a hero, and one to be admired?
Was Micheal Corleone a bad guy who lost his family? Or a hero, and one to be admired?
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:26 pm to Choupique19
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After reading another Godfather thread a few months ago, I'm confused.
Was Micheal Corleone a bad guy who lost his family? Or a hero, and one to be admired?
Are you serious? Easily the former rather than the latter. How the hell was Micheal Corleone a hero? He killed his own brother for Christ's sake!
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:27 pm to Choupique19
You specifically to III..? which I don't even consider as part of the story or series.
ETA: I was laid up all weekend and watched The Godfather Saga all day yesterday. Awesome. Many of the deleted scenes really helped. Sure, it's not the films...but they were awesome.
ETA: I was laid up all weekend and watched The Godfather Saga all day yesterday. Awesome. Many of the deleted scenes really helped. Sure, it's not the films...but they were awesome.
This post was edited on 3/4/12 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:29 pm to heehaw
Tom Hagen was a child hood friend of sonny. He came to live with Michael faily as a boy and became his father's consigliar. He would never challange Michael authority out of respect for Vitto.
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