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Similar situations of LSU and Texas?
Posted on 1/28/12 at 9:35 am
Posted on 1/28/12 at 9:35 am
As a fan of both LSU and Texas, I see some similarity in the recent situations. Although LSU is in a MUCH better place for sure, I wonder if similar attitudes appeared in the each team's Championship runs.
After losing to Bama in the MNC, many fans and coaches have attributed Texas' fall from its winning ways to an attitude of entitlement. It resulted in Mack cleaning house and preaching much about earning wins. We have heard the line that many players had the attitude that wins were automatic for them simply because they were Texas. It seemed that the swagger of Vince Young and Colt McCoy had grown out of control while the work ethic possibly did not.
Looking at LSU's Championship run this year, we saw many fans and media pumping the idea that the game was in the bag. We had already beat Bama and the game was in the Dome yet again. It had fans screaming "Repeat" and "Dome Field Advantage."
I don't think it's too far of a reach to think that similar entitled attitudes may have crept into the LSU camp. At least from looking at TD in the days leading up to the game, Tiger Nation seemed sure that we were coming home with another crystal football. So much so that we were farking our players already holding the thing.
So, I ask you if we thought the Tigers would stroll into the Dome and handle business with no problem? If so, it would help explain the sheer shock of the team's performance as well as the desperate grasping at straws for an answer to the team's dismal performance (conspiracy theories, last-minute, million dollar bets).
All this said, the Tigers are in an infinitely better place than the Longhorns right now. I do believe that 2012 will be a very good year for the Longhorns in comparison to the past two. But, the Tigers look to have an incredible 2012 if they can put all the pieces together.
I think it would be interesting to hear from an organizational leadership expert on how groups rebound from adversity such as this.
After losing to Bama in the MNC, many fans and coaches have attributed Texas' fall from its winning ways to an attitude of entitlement. It resulted in Mack cleaning house and preaching much about earning wins. We have heard the line that many players had the attitude that wins were automatic for them simply because they were Texas. It seemed that the swagger of Vince Young and Colt McCoy had grown out of control while the work ethic possibly did not.
Looking at LSU's Championship run this year, we saw many fans and media pumping the idea that the game was in the bag. We had already beat Bama and the game was in the Dome yet again. It had fans screaming "Repeat" and "Dome Field Advantage."
I don't think it's too far of a reach to think that similar entitled attitudes may have crept into the LSU camp. At least from looking at TD in the days leading up to the game, Tiger Nation seemed sure that we were coming home with another crystal football. So much so that we were farking our players already holding the thing.
So, I ask you if we thought the Tigers would stroll into the Dome and handle business with no problem? If so, it would help explain the sheer shock of the team's performance as well as the desperate grasping at straws for an answer to the team's dismal performance (conspiracy theories, last-minute, million dollar bets).
All this said, the Tigers are in an infinitely better place than the Longhorns right now. I do believe that 2012 will be a very good year for the Longhorns in comparison to the past two. But, the Tigers look to have an incredible 2012 if they can put all the pieces together.
I think it would be interesting to hear from an organizational leadership expert on how groups rebound from adversity such as this.
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Posted on 1/28/12 at 9:38 am to LSUDM2001
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I think it would be interesting to hear from an organizational leadership expert on how groups rebound from adversity such as this.
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Posted on 1/28/12 at 9:38 am to LSUDM2001
Appeared to me the coaches may have been to blame. Hopefully they learned their lesson.
Posted on 1/28/12 at 9:46 am to TexasTiger89
To his credit, Mack took much of the blame for allowing those attitudes to run unchecked.
Then again, he was dealing with a meltdown as opposed to a disappointment.
Then again, he was dealing with a meltdown as opposed to a disappointment.
Posted on 1/28/12 at 9:50 am to LSUDM2001
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iger Nation seemed sure that we were coming home with another crystal football
Against OU and tOSU, I juest felt it in my bones and had no real doubt we would win. Against Bama, I felt it was like 55-45 that we won, but like many, had a feeling it would be one-sided for the team that won. Sure wish we would have been on the upside, but the bottom line is that the sense of confidence was not as high as you indicate.
Posted on 1/28/12 at 9:53 am to LSUDM2001
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Looking at LSU's Championship run this year, we saw many fans and media pumping the idea that the game was in the bag.
This is far from accurate. Most in the media thought Bama had the game in the bag. As far as fans, I think the majority were dreading a rematch.
Posted on 1/28/12 at 9:57 am to therocketscientist
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the sense of confidence was not as high as you indicate.
I agree. Especially after the SEC championship, I didn't hype myself up right away. I started to the week before the game. But there was doubt gnawing away at my confidence which didn't come out in full force until that Monday and died that same night...
Posted on 1/28/12 at 9:59 am to eXfaktor
Didn't get hyped for the game until the weekend before it.
I wasn't excited at all about reading the analysis and all that. Rematches suck
I wasn't excited at all about reading the analysis and all that. Rematches suck
Posted on 1/28/12 at 10:04 am to LSUDM2001
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So, I ask you if we thought the Tigers would stroll into the Dome and handle business with no problem?
no, I think fans anticipated a slugfest. maybe not of the 9-6 OT variety, but probably something more along the lines of the 24-21 2010 victory.
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the sheer shock of the team's performance as well as the desperate grasping at straws for an answer to the team's dismal performance
that came from watching a team that thrived off big game atmospheres seeming so listless and unprepared.
Posted on 1/28/12 at 10:08 am to filmmaker45
Why did LSU play the worst College Football Championship game in 100 years?
Posted on 1/28/12 at 10:09 am to Intrepid
After four years of "pushing" Jefferson...do you really think THICK HEADED MILES will learn a lesson.....He's Micigan for God's sake....
Posted on 1/28/12 at 10:10 am to ATLTiger
All good points. Thanks to all.
This was a early morning thought likely brought about by my connection to UT and seeking answers for that game.
This was a early morning thought likely brought about by my connection to UT and seeking answers for that game.
Posted on 1/28/12 at 10:12 am to LSUDM2001
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I think it would be interesting to hear from an organizational leadership expert on how groups rebound from adversity such as this.
i successfully led several organizations (sales) over about a 20 yr period and all of the organizations experienced highs and lows. i can tell you with 100% certainty there simply is not a "formula" for rebounding from adversity. words are meaningless. other peoples experiences are meaningless. the heart of rebounding from adversity are terms called "character" and "motivation". adversity must first of all be recognized and agreed on, then and only then can motivation exist in sufficient strength to overcome the adversity. so if your question "does the LSU football team have the strength of character and the motivation to rebound and have another great year" my response would be probably. if we had won in new orleans, my response would have been probably not. success is often more difficult to deal with than mediocrity or failure. if our team has player leadership in 2012, we are going to be a national force to be reckoned with.
Posted on 1/28/12 at 10:46 am to LSUDM2001
Like others have said or implied, I think it comes down to those involved, in this case, the coaches and players. What happened in New Orleans was an embarrassment, not so much losing, but the way we lost. Something like that can be the trigger point of a program tailspin, or it can be a rallying point for a renewed commitment.
Personally, I think it's human nature to live so much in the moment and not see beyond, so the nature of the loss and the bad news in the following weeks about Kiel and other recruiting misses and rumors of fights on the team just cast this really negative pall over the program in the fans' eyes and caused a lot of people to lose broader perspective. I think we'll pull out of this just fine and respond with a strong 2012 season, maybe even a BCS title. To me, for all the drama of the last few weeks, we just lost one game to a great opponent, mostly because of our inability to pose a consistent vertical passing threat, which allows the defense to stack the box and take away the run. We will be fine under Mett, I think.
Now, about how this team seems to be responding, I'd say it looks like the answer is quite well, judging from early indications. I've read or heard about Tweets and Facebook statuses of players showing a lot of intensity and determination to dedicate themselves this offseason and come back even better next year. That tells me the players are responding positively to Jan. 9, which also tells me the coaches are likely setting the right tone and focusing this team forward. Fears and suggestions about our impending demise are greatly exaggerated.
Personally, I think it's human nature to live so much in the moment and not see beyond, so the nature of the loss and the bad news in the following weeks about Kiel and other recruiting misses and rumors of fights on the team just cast this really negative pall over the program in the fans' eyes and caused a lot of people to lose broader perspective. I think we'll pull out of this just fine and respond with a strong 2012 season, maybe even a BCS title. To me, for all the drama of the last few weeks, we just lost one game to a great opponent, mostly because of our inability to pose a consistent vertical passing threat, which allows the defense to stack the box and take away the run. We will be fine under Mett, I think.
Now, about how this team seems to be responding, I'd say it looks like the answer is quite well, judging from early indications. I've read or heard about Tweets and Facebook statuses of players showing a lot of intensity and determination to dedicate themselves this offseason and come back even better next year. That tells me the players are responding positively to Jan. 9, which also tells me the coaches are likely setting the right tone and focusing this team forward. Fears and suggestions about our impending demise are greatly exaggerated.
This post was edited on 1/28/12 at 10:49 am
Posted on 1/28/12 at 10:56 am to LSUDM2001
You don't think Bama felt entitled?
We're not Texas. We have an awesome QB coming in. Let's hope he doesn't get hurt.
We're not Texas. We have an awesome QB coming in. Let's hope he doesn't get hurt.
Posted on 1/28/12 at 10:59 am to TigerScribe
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Fears and suggestions about our impending demise are greatly exaggerated.
great comment TigerScribe. some posters on here are drama queens. they obviously have had no real adversity in their lives so they create some in their minds. they need to get off their damn arse and go undertake something challeging; then they will learn what adversity is.
Posted on 1/28/12 at 11:05 am to LSU GrandDad
Thanks goodness for Mett. I feel like he will be the best QB I've seen at LSU. Our defense plus a fantastic QB could equal a great season.
Texas had poor back-up QBs and that contibuted to their tailspin.
Texas had poor back-up QBs and that contibuted to their tailspin.
Posted on 1/28/12 at 11:07 am to LSU GrandDad
there was one team in the nation that could have beat LSU and that was Bama. Saban had a great game plan as the LSU staff did not.
Posted on 1/28/12 at 11:09 am to LSUDM2001
I don't think any rational LSU fan thought we were going to walk in and beat Bama with our presence. On the contrary, every LSU fan I talked to honestly believed that Bama was the only team in the nation that could beat us and were worried about the game.
I think that mentality played into the game plan called by the coaches and the play by our QB. The offensive game plan was conservative and the QB play was tight. LSU played not to lose, Bama played to destroy us and they did.
I don't think it was overconfidence becasue these two met earlier in the year and knew how tough the other was. That's different than the Texas situation because Texas hadn't played Bama already that season. I also think Texas does have an entitlement aura around that university that is evident in the fanbase and it's the reason the Big 12 is breaking up. I don't think these two situations are remotely close aside from losing a NCG.
I think that mentality played into the game plan called by the coaches and the play by our QB. The offensive game plan was conservative and the QB play was tight. LSU played not to lose, Bama played to destroy us and they did.
I don't think it was overconfidence becasue these two met earlier in the year and knew how tough the other was. That's different than the Texas situation because Texas hadn't played Bama already that season. I also think Texas does have an entitlement aura around that university that is evident in the fanbase and it's the reason the Big 12 is breaking up. I don't think these two situations are remotely close aside from losing a NCG.
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