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QB's under Les Miles...by the numbers
Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:02 pm
In doing an analysis of QB's under Les Miles, almost all have regressed after Year One of being the proclaimed starter for the entire season, with the exception coming in 2006 from Jamarcus Russell. Also, out of Miles 10 years of being a head coach, he has played both a black and white QB during the season in 9 out of 10 years. In 7 out of 10 years, HIS guy has been a black QB. This is not a Black or White thing here, just pointing out trends and yearly progressions/regressions. However, it would definitely be of note that it is 95% likely given the statistics that Miles will play Jerrard Randall next year in some capacity. So Tiger fans, expect to see the near side option continue......
Player Comp Att Yds TD Int
2001
Aso Pogi 179 296 1854 11 7
Josh Fields 35 69 451 3 3
*Pogi was the starter the whole season. He was injured in two games in which Fields subbed and led the team to wins, Baylor and OU
2002
Josh Fields 226 408 3145 31 10
Aso Pogi 17 40 269 1 4
2003
Josh Fields 184 338 2494 21 12
2004
Donovan Woods 97 187 1628 13 5
*Woods had 9 rushing TD's in 2004
*After starting the 2005 season at QB in Mike Gundy's first season, Woods was benched and moved to safety for the final 5 games
2005
Jamarcus Russell 188 311 2443 15 9
Matt Flynn 27 48 457 7 1
2006
Jamarcus Russell 232 342 3129 28 8
Matt Flynn 12 20 133 2 1
2007
Matt Flynn 202 359 2407 21 11
Ryan Perrilloux 51 75 694 8 2
2008
Jordan Jefferson 36 73 419 4 1
Jarrett Lee 143 269 1873 14 16
Andrew Hatch 25 45 282 2 1
2009
Jordan Jefferson 182 296 2166 17 7
Jarrett Lee 16 40 197 2 1
2010
Jordan Jefferson 118 209 1411 7 10
Jarrett Lee 54 89 573 2 1
2011
Jordan Jefferson 61 100 737 6 2
Jarrett Lee 104 167 1306 14 3
Player Comp Att Yds TD Int
2001
Aso Pogi 179 296 1854 11 7
Josh Fields 35 69 451 3 3
*Pogi was the starter the whole season. He was injured in two games in which Fields subbed and led the team to wins, Baylor and OU
2002
Josh Fields 226 408 3145 31 10
Aso Pogi 17 40 269 1 4
2003
Josh Fields 184 338 2494 21 12
2004
Donovan Woods 97 187 1628 13 5
*Woods had 9 rushing TD's in 2004
*After starting the 2005 season at QB in Mike Gundy's first season, Woods was benched and moved to safety for the final 5 games
2005
Jamarcus Russell 188 311 2443 15 9
Matt Flynn 27 48 457 7 1
2006
Jamarcus Russell 232 342 3129 28 8
Matt Flynn 12 20 133 2 1
2007
Matt Flynn 202 359 2407 21 11
Ryan Perrilloux 51 75 694 8 2
2008
Jordan Jefferson 36 73 419 4 1
Jarrett Lee 143 269 1873 14 16
Andrew Hatch 25 45 282 2 1
2009
Jordan Jefferson 182 296 2166 17 7
Jarrett Lee 16 40 197 2 1
2010
Jordan Jefferson 118 209 1411 7 10
Jarrett Lee 54 89 573 2 1
2011
Jordan Jefferson 61 100 737 6 2
Jarrett Lee 104 167 1306 14 3
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Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:05 pm to Run DMC
All your "analysis" proves is that Jefferson and Lee aren't very good.
Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:07 pm to Run DMC
Woods
Was he a mobile QB?
Was he a mobile QB?
Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:07 pm to Run DMC
You should add the qb rushing stats, and add rp and Mett stats. Just to get a better idea. And hopefully we will see how much qbs not named jj ran the ball.
This post was edited on 1/25/12 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:07 pm to saintsfan22
quote:
All your "analysis" proves is that Jefferson and Lee aren't very good.
You are missing the point
Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:09 pm to Run DMC
it seems to me that he only had 3 QBs start 2 or more consecutive years.....Fields,JR and JJ. or am i looking at this wrong?
This post was edited on 1/25/12 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:10 pm to Run DMC
One of your points was that Miles makes his QBs regress yet outside of of JJ/JL(who we can admit aren't very good) you have as many examples of Miles' QBs progressing in his 2nd year as you have of them regressing. Also Josh Fields' increased focus on baseball no doubt hurt him on the football field.
Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:12 pm to saintsfan22
quote:
All your "analysis" proves is that Jefferson and Lee aren't very good.
EXACTLY
Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:15 pm to saintsfan22
quote:
you have as many examples of Miles' QBs progressing in his 2nd year as you have of them regressing
AFTER THEIR FIRST FULL YEAR AS THE PROCLAIMED STARTER, each QB regressed except for Jamarcus Russell.
Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:20 pm to Run DMC
quote:
with the exception coming in 2006 from Jamarcus Russell
#1 overall pick is a pretty good exception, and then the next the QB leads them to the national title
Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:22 pm to Run DMC
quote:
AFTER THEIR FIRST FULL YEAR AS THE PROCLAIMED STARTER, each QB regressed except for Jamarcus Russell.
So out of 3 QBs...
1. regressed (may or may not have been because of baseball)
2. didn't regress
3. regressed (and everyone agrees that he wasn't that good to begin with and had Crowton as his QB coach)
does this pretty much cover it?
This post was edited on 1/25/12 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:23 pm to saintsfan22
quote:
All your "analysis" proves is that Jefferson and Lee aren't very good.
Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:24 pm to Choctaw
quote:
does this pretty much cover it?
Yes that is exactly it. 2 guys over 9 years isn't much of trend.
Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:25 pm to Choctaw
quote:
2. didn't regress
Which 2 didn't regress after their first full year as a starter?
Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:25 pm to Run DMC
quote:
AFTER THEIR FIRST FULL YEAR AS THE PROCLAIMED STARTER, each QB regressed except for Jamarcus Russell.
You can't really say Fields regressed. His completion %, yards per pass, and yards per attempt stayed roughly the same. The TD per pass % dropped and his INT per pass % increased slightly but Oklahoma St. also had more wins in his second season starting.
And JJ wasn't a very good QB so no argument there.
ETA: oh and in 2003 Oklahoma St had 2776 yards rushing while in 2002 they had 1930, almost the exact difference in passing yards from 2002.
This post was edited on 1/25/12 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:27 pm to Run DMC
quote:
Which 2 didn't regress after their first full year as a starter?
sorry...i meant #2 QB, as in JR
Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:29 pm to Run DMC
Well since we dont have a returning starter at qb we should be good right? 
Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:31 pm to Adam Banks
quote:
Well since we dont have a returning starter at qb we should be good right?
Looks that way
Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:35 pm to Run DMC
To further bolster my argument, Oklahoma St. actually increased in PPG from 2002 to 2003 by 1.6 points. So Fields had pretty much the same ypa, ypc, and completion %. While his total yards and TDs fell off (thanks to a vastly improved running game to the tune of ~70 ypg) team ppg and wins increased. And you argue that he regressed?
ETA: 2002 passing ypg = 262.6 and rushing ypg = 148.5. In 2003 that was 197.0 and 217.8 respectively. So a decrease in passing 65.6 ypg and an increase in rushing ypg by 69.3. pretty close. Stronger running game = fewer passing yards/TDs. 2002 Tds were 2.5 and 1.8, and 2003 1.6 and 2.6.
ETA: 2002 passing ypg = 262.6 and rushing ypg = 148.5. In 2003 that was 197.0 and 217.8 respectively. So a decrease in passing 65.6 ypg and an increase in rushing ypg by 69.3. pretty close. Stronger running game = fewer passing yards/TDs. 2002 Tds were 2.5 and 1.8, and 2003 1.6 and 2.6.
This post was edited on 1/25/12 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 1/25/12 at 7:44 pm to MFn GIMP
quote:
completion %
Most people will consider that a QB should have a better completion percentage after having a full year as a starter. You definitely can not consider it progessing when the completion percentage goes down, even if only by 1%. All i'm saying, is that the majority of players increase efficiency after their first year. Fields didn't. So he regressed slightly. Less TD's, more INT's on fewer passes, that is regressing.
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