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Automatic Benching of guys with two fouls in first half
Posted on 1/22/12 at 8:17 am
Posted on 1/22/12 at 8:17 am
This has been one of my pet peeves for a while. Just don't get the strategy. The worst thing that can happen is that they foul out and you don't have them out there playing. Bench them and you get the same result. I can see sitting them for a little while and telling them to watch the game and learn how not to foul but to just automatically say you are done for the first half is just stupid IMO.
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Posted on 1/22/12 at 8:21 am to Tom Bronco
The thnking is that you want them on the floor at the end of the game. Its been a coaching tactic sine James Naismith invented the game.
Posted on 1/22/12 at 8:31 am to Holden Caulfield
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The thnking is that you want them on the floor at the end of the game. Its been a coaching tactic sine James Naismith invented the game.
It doesn't do you any good to have them on the floor at the end of the game if the game is already out of hand because they didn't play in the first half. And even if it is close at the end of the game, say they didn't pick up but one more foul, they could have made the difference if they had played more.
Posted on 1/22/12 at 8:39 am to Tom Bronco
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It doesn't do you any good to have them on the floor at the end of the game if the game is already out of hand because they didn't play in the first half.
True if it plays out that way. The hope is that you can sit them for a while and still keep the game close and have them down the stretch when they're most needed.
I agree its a tactic that sometimes gets over used and it can hurt you.
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say they didn't pick up but one more foul, they could have made the difference if they had played more.
That's something no coach can predict and shouldn't be faulted for.
Posted on 1/22/12 at 8:51 am to Tom Bronco
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to just automatically say you are done for the first half is just stupid IMO.
I saw LSU's Steffond "Baby Magic" Johnson foul out in the first half against Kentucky almost 30 years ago. THE FIRST HALF.
If I never see someone foul out in the first half again, it will be too soon. Pulling a guy with two fouls is fine with me.
Posted on 1/22/12 at 8:55 am to Tom Bronco
Dude, you cant be serious. So you would rather one of your best players fouls out with 10 minutes left in the game, than sit them in the first half so they are out there at crunch time? Dumb.
Posted on 1/22/12 at 9:05 am to Tom Bronco
what the big fellas really hate is being on a team with light depth in the front court and getting pulled after ONE foul.
i remember a few years ago chris johnson picked up 3 fouls in about 2 minutes guarding joakim noah
i remember a few years ago chris johnson picked up 3 fouls in about 2 minutes guarding joakim noah
Posted on 1/22/12 at 9:55 am to Tom Bronco
some players can play with 2 fouls but 95% should sit. If they get 3 fouls they can't start the 2nd half imo.
Posted on 1/22/12 at 10:00 am to Tom Bronco
quote:Yeah, I don't think that should be a given. Reminds me of Sue Gunter. That was her rule and it was in stone.
This has been one of my pet peeves for a while. Just don't get the strategy. The worst thing that can happen is that they foul out and you don't have them out there playing.
Game got away from us in the first half when those guys went out, especcially defensively. No question. I mean Eddie and Malcolm are Tigers and I pull for them but that's just a pretty big step down.
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:50 am to rutiger
quote:points are the same no matter when they are scored.
than sit them in the first half so they are out there at crunch time?
Posted on 1/22/12 at 11:59 am to Tom Bronco
If a player picks up their second foul early in the game, they play more tentative the rest of the way, particularly on defense. Better off having a lesser scorer on the court that can play aggressive defense than a better scorer who cannot play defense because he's tentative. Basically trading offense for defense.
Let the guy sit and bring him back in the second half at full effectiveness.
Let the guy sit and bring him back in the second half at full effectiveness.
Posted on 1/22/12 at 12:14 pm to 1984Tiger
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If a player picks up their second foul early in the game, they play more tentative the rest of the way, particularly on defense. Better off having a lesser scorer on the court that can play aggressive defense than a better scorer who cannot play defense because he's tentative. Basically trading offense for defense. Let the guy sit and bring him back in the second half at full effectiveness.
Exactly, my coach use to lie to us, so we would still play hard.
Eta: I fouled out my last game with only 4 fouls stupid record keeper girl couldn't count.
This post was edited on 1/22/12 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 1/22/12 at 2:22 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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points are the same no matter when they are scored.
Points are the same but situations aren't. You want your best players out there to finish a game. Especially a close game.
Posted on 1/22/12 at 3:31 pm to rutiger
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Dude, you cant be serious. So you would rather one of your best players fouls out with 10 minutes left in the game, than sit them in the first half so they are out there at crunch time? Dumb.
No I would rather my best players be on the floor more than my worst players. You assume they will foul out. Not necessarily true. Ralston had two in the first half and was benched. Only got one more foul the rest of the game. Crunch time only means something if you are within reach of winning the game. If you are behind double digits and don't really have the firepower to make up that much of a deficit, it doesn't really matter.
So let me make my point clearer. I don't like "automatic benching". It should be a judgement call depending on how well the player in foul trouble has been playing and how much of a step down his replacement is. And no, don't let them foul out in the first half. If they get three then I would bench them for sure.
Posted on 1/22/12 at 3:34 pm to Tom Bronco
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It should be a judgement call depending on how well the player in foul trouble has been playing and how much of a step down his replacement is.
I'm with you Tom. This certainly hurt us yesterday. We were competing and then we chose to sit our 2-foul guys to put Eddie, Malcolm and Courtney (who I admittedly wanted to get more time) in yesterday and it went downhill fast.
Posted on 1/22/12 at 3:43 pm to Holden Caulfield
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say they didn't pick up but one more foul, they could have made the difference if they had played more.
That's something no coach can predict and shouldn't be faulted for.
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Exactly my point. No coach can predict they will only get one more foul and no coach can predict they will foul out. It should be a judgement call.
say they didn't pick up but one more foul, they could have made the difference if they had played more.
That's something no coach can predict and shouldn't be faulted for.
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Exactly my point. No coach can predict they will only get one more foul and no coach can predict they will foul out. It should be a judgement call.
Posted on 1/22/12 at 3:56 pm to 1984Tiger
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f a player picks up their second foul early in the game, they play more tentative the rest of the way, particularly on defense. Better off having a lesser scorer on the court that can play aggressive defense than a better scorer who cannot play defense because he's tentative. Basically trading offense for defense.
Okay, if you know your coach is going to bench you with two in the first half aren't you going to play "tentative" after you pick up that first foul.
To me the object is to play good defense. Most fouls are dumb fouls like fouling a player who already has position and is going to make the shot whether you foul him or not. Other examples, fouling a big man who can't hit an outside shot twenty feet away from the basket. Trying to slide over and take a charge by throwing a hip out at the last second. Getting an offensive foul by trying to drive to the basket instead of pulling up for a ten foot jumper.
Play smart and you can still play good defense and stay in the game.
Posted on 1/22/12 at 4:02 pm to Tom Bronco
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Most fouls are dumb fouls like fouling a player who already has position and is going to make the shot whether you foul him or not.
Really depends on the officiating crew, doesn't it. Some officials call touch fouls, others let the guys play. Sometimes you just don't know until you've gotten called for that 2nd foul.
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Play smart and you can still play good defense and stay in the game.
Easy to say, harder to do. Some players are good players because of their aggressiveness, both offensively and defensively. Take that away and they become average, or even a liability.
Posted on 1/22/12 at 6:36 pm to Tom Bronco
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This has been one of my pet peeves for a while. Just don't get the strategy. The worst thing that can happen is that they foul out and you don't have them out there playing. Bench them and you get the same result. I can see sitting them for a little while and telling them to watch the game and learn how not to foul but to just automatically say you are done for the first half is just stupid IMO.
Opposing coaches are going to attack an opponents better players playing with 3 fouls early in the 2nd half. They will either get easy baskets or draw a 4th foul.
By taking the player out in the first half it eliminates that vulnerability. In other words, it makes sense a lot of the time.
Posted on 1/22/12 at 6:54 pm to Tom Bronco
Well you may not like it but it is certainly the correct way to coach. I will always pull a big with 2 fouls in the first half because number 1 it's easier for bigs to get fouled and number 2 a player with 2 fouls cannot rebound and play defense with enough intensity to help you. The player actually becomes a liabilty on the defensive end. Now I do have a guy this year that I will play with a 2 fouls on that situation because he's a guard and knows how to play with fouls.
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