It doesn't seem like the SEC produces as much qb talent as other conferences (pac12,big10,big12). There are obviously exceptions (Cam and the Mannings to name a few). Why is this? Does it make the defenses look better on a week to week basis?

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Posted by filmmaker45

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Posted on 12/10/11 at 4:46 pm to tigerbait4444

Ive heard this complain from northerners and west coasters. I think it's total bullshite in my opinion because when these great QBs have faced SEC defenses they've lost anyways.

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Posted by CNB

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Posted on 12/10/11 at 4:47 pm to tigerbait4444

It's all about perception, really.

Non-SEC fans look at our QB's and see weak QB play.

SEC fans look at our QB's and realize the types of defenses they are playing against.

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Posted by Kid Charlemagne

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Posted on 12/10/11 at 4:48 pm to filmmaker45

Tebow, Cam, Peyton, and Eli were pretty good....

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Posted by Navytiger74

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Posted on 12/10/11 at 4:48 pm to tigerbait4444

Were I a great QB prospect, I wouldn't want to play in the SEC. CFB caliber o-lines vs. NFL caliber Ds.

No thanks.

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Posted by LSUtoOmaha

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Posted on 12/10/11 at 4:48 pm to tigerbait4444

Well, let's not forget Matt Stafford and Jason Campbell were atrocious SEC quarterbacks until their last year. Maybe it has something to do with defensive talent?

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Posted by tigerbait4444

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Posted on 12/10/11 at 4:51 pm to LSUtoOmaha

I think you have a point with the recruiting aspect. I don't think it's the "SEC defenses make QB's look bad when they're really not". If that were the case, it wouldn't hold them back from NFL success.

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Posted by TDawg1313

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Posted on 12/10/11 at 4:52 pm to Navytiger74

quote:
NFL caliber Ds.

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Posted by lsu31always

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Posted on 12/10/11 at 4:53 pm to tigerbait4444

I'd be willing to bet that the SEC has more starting QBs than anyone else.

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Posted by Colonel Flagg

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Posted on 12/10/11 at 4:54 pm to tigerbait4444

Matthew Stafford
Eli Manning
Cam Newton
Tim Tebow
Rex Grossman
Peyton Manning (starter before injury)
Jason Campbell (starter befor injury)

So seven teams out of 32 total teams were rocking with SEC QBs. Now just five due to injury. I wouldn't say that is a bad percentage.

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Posted by tigerbait4444

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Posted on 12/10/11 at 4:54 pm to TDawg1313

quote:
NFL caliber Ds.

If this is the case, why don't SEC qb's succeed more often in the NFL?

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Posted by tigerbait4444

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Posted on 12/10/11 at 4:56 pm to lsu31always

quote:
I'd be willing to bet that the SEC has more starting QBs than anyone else.

I'll take that bet.

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Posted by Zach

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Posted on 12/10/11 at 5:00 pm to tigerbait4444

In August I posted on this board that the SEC had an unusual number of QB turnover. Other years we were more QB rich. It's a cycle.

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Posted by FoulBalls

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Posted on 12/10/11 at 5:03 pm to Colonel Flagg

Add Jay Cutler. Unless Vandy doesn't count.

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Posted by D011ahbi11

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Posted on 12/10/11 at 5:07 pm to tigerbait4444

quote:
It doesn't seem like the SEC produces as much qb talent as other conferences

It usually does, but this season I'd say the SEC Qb's suck.

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Posted by tigerbait4444

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Posted on 12/10/11 at 5:07 pm to FoulBalls

I have a theory on it. It seems other conferences can produce o-linemen, qbs, and kickers at an even, if not better rate than the SEC. A large part of NFL O-linemen, qbs, and kickers are white. I think it's more of a race/demographics thing than anything else. Wait for it......

That's Racist!!!

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Posted by LordoftheManor

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Posted on 12/10/11 at 5:07 pm to tigerbait4444

Current list of starting QBs

Kevin Kolb - Houston
Matt Ryan - Boston College
Joe Flacco - Delaware
Ryan Fitzpatrick - Harvard
Cam Newton - Auburn
Caleb Hanie - Colorado State
Andy Dalton - TCU
Colt McCoy - Texas
Tony Romo - Eastern Illinois
Tim Tebow - Florida
Matt Stafford - Georgia
Aaron Rodgers - Cal
T.J. Yates - North Carolina
Dan Orlovsky - UConn
Blaine Gabbert - Missouri
Tyler Palko - Pitt
Matt Moore - Oregon State
Christian Ponder - FSU
Tom Brady - Michigan
Drew Brees - Purdue
Eli Manning - Ole Miss
Mark Sanchez - USC
Carson Palmer - USC
Vince Young - Texas
Ben Roethlisberger - Miami (Ohio)
Phillip Rivers - NC State
Alex Smith - Utah
Tarvaris Jackson - Alabama State
A.J. Feeley - Oregon
Josh Johnson - San Diego
Matt Hasselbeck - Boston College
Rex Grossman - Florida

Edit - Cutler, Campbell, and Peyton all starters pre-injury.

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Posted by TDawg1313

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Posted on 12/10/11 at 5:10 pm to LordoftheManor

quote:
Kevin Kolb - Houston
Matt Ryan - Boston College
Joe Flacco - Delaware
Ryan Fitzpatrick - Harvard
Cam Newton - Auburn
Caleb Hanie - Colorado State
Andy Dalton - TCU
Colt McCoy - Texas
Tony Romo - Eastern Illinois
Tim Tebow - Florida
Matt Stafford - Georgia
Aaron Rodgers - Cal
T.J. Yates - North Carolina
Dan Orlovsky - UConn
Blaine Gabbert - Missouri
Tyler Palko - Pitt
Matt Moore - Oregon State
Christian Ponder - FSU
Tom Brady - Michigan
Drew Brees - Purdue
Eli Manning - Ole Miss
Mark Sanchez - USC
Carson Palmer - USC
Vince Young - Texas
Ben Roethlisberger - Miami (Ohio)
Phillip Rivers - NC State
Alex Smith - Utah
Tarvaris Jackson - Alabama State
A.J. Feeley - Oregon
Josh Johnson - San Diego
Matt Hasselbeck - Boston College
Rex Grossman - Florida

So 6 Pac-12 and 5 SEC. Just by a quick glance, I don't think any other conferences are close to those numbers.
ETA: I think the ACC has 5 too

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Posted by tigerbait4444

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Posted on 12/10/11 at 5:12 pm to TDawg1313

ACC is close. Vick and Schaub should be added to their count.

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Posted by The Easter Bunny

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Posted on 12/10/11 at 5:12 pm to tigerbait4444

Kolb - CUSA
Ryan - ACC
Flacco - Colonial
Fitzpatrick - Ivy
Cam - SEC
Hanie - MWC
Dalton - MWC
McCoy - Big12
Romo - Ohio Valley
Tebow - SEC
Stafford - SEC
Rodgers - Pac12
Yates - ACC
Orlovsky - Big East
Gabbert - Big12
Palko - Big East
Moore - Pac 12
Ponder - ACC
Brady - Big10
Brees - Big10
Manning - SEC
Sanchez - Pac12
Palmer - Pac12
VY - Big12
Roethlisberger - MAC
Rivers - ACC
Smith - Pac12
Jackson - SWAC
Feeley - Pac12
Johnson - West Coast Conference
Hasselbeck - ACC
Grossman - SEC

Pac12 - 6
ACC - 5
SEC - 5
Big12 - 3
CUSA - 1
Colonial - 1
Ivy - 1
Big East - 2
Big10 - 2
MWC - 2
Ohio Valley - 1
MAC - 1
SWAC - 1
WCC - 1

Of course when Vick comes back the ACC goes to 6 and the Big12 falls to 2

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