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Suspicious Performances in Brussels(Track and Field)
Posted on 9/16/11 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 9/16/11 at 3:36 pm
Yohan Blake(Bolt's countryman) just ran a 19.26 200m(his fastest time by over half of a second) at the age of 21. Having tested positive for a banned substance before(got off on a "designer drug" difference of composition ruling), I think this supports the notion that he along with the other Jamacians are doping.
Then we had Galen Rupp absolutely shatter the American record in the 10k by over 11 seconds, running 26:48. Either Nike has finally found a way to throw enough money at American distance running to catch up with the Eastern Africans, or there is some doping going on there as well.
Edit: I meant to put over half of a second. Over half of a second is an unheard of improvement for 1 year.
Then we had Galen Rupp absolutely shatter the American record in the 10k by over 11 seconds, running 26:48. Either Nike has finally found a way to throw enough money at American distance running to catch up with the Eastern Africans, or there is some doping going on there as well.
Edit: I meant to put over half of a second. Over half of a second is an unheard of improvement for 1 year.
This post was edited on 9/16/11 at 6:56 pm
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Posted on 9/16/11 at 3:38 pm to TheSexecutioner
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I think this supports the notion that he along with the other Jamacians are doping.
Talk about jumping to conclusions.
Posted on 9/16/11 at 3:40 pm to TheSexecutioner
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TheSexecutioner
you sound like bill the lisp plasche on ATH.
well one jamacian is doping, they most all be doing it.
Posted on 9/16/11 at 3:45 pm to castorinho
Jumping to conclusions about supporting a notion?
So you disagree that a young Jamaican, who trains with Bolt and ran a similar time at a young age to Bolt(both off of massive improvements within a year) testing positive for PED supports the notion of some of the higher level Jamaican sprinters(Bolt, Powell, etc) using PED?
So you disagree that a young Jamaican, who trains with Bolt and ran a similar time at a young age to Bolt(both off of massive improvements within a year) testing positive for PED supports the notion of some of the higher level Jamaican sprinters(Bolt, Powell, etc) using PED?
Posted on 9/16/11 at 3:47 pm to jcole4lsu
That whole region is suspect. When you drop dope from planes for over 30 years...stuff is bound to wash ashore.
Seriously, the Dominicans/Puerto Ricans in baseball were by far far far the overwhelming highest percentage of dopers in MLB by the Mitchell Commission.
Who really cares though...track insiders say everyone is doping in Track & Field. It's not what you know...it's what you can prove.
Posted on 9/16/11 at 3:49 pm to jcole4lsu
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well one jamacian is doping, they most all be doing it.
Well when a nation with 1/100 of the USA's population, have within less than half a decade, not only replaced USA as the greatest sprinting country in the world, but distanced themselves into a class of their own, it isn't a stretch to be suspicious about cheating. The amount of failed drug tests per capita that they have is unparalleled in the track and field world.
Posted on 9/16/11 at 3:52 pm to Zamoro10
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Who really cares though...track insiders say everyone is doping in Track & Field
A lot of truth to this. Doping is down to such a science (blood doping will yield an x percent gain in oxygen processing ability) that it is nearly impossible for the cheaters to not rise to the top, assuming enough talented guys are doping. It's not like baseball where bulking up with steroids won't necessarily make you a better all around player.
Posted on 9/16/11 at 3:53 pm to castorinho
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Talk about sprinting to conclusions.
Posted on 9/16/11 at 3:54 pm to TheSexecutioner
It's a resaonable suspicion. It may not be true but it certainly is suspicious.
Posted on 9/16/11 at 3:55 pm to TheSexecutioner
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but distanced themselves into a class of their own
When you overtake a centuries worth of proof (US dominance) and do it by such great margins - it raises suspicions. Like Ben Johnson blowing by Carl Lewis as if the reigning Olympic champ was standing still.
But unlike the Chinese who came out of nowhere to suddenly dominate swimming - the islands have always had great sprinters.
Posted on 9/16/11 at 3:56 pm to jcole4lsu
considering they more than likely train at the same facility all of them probably use.
however i could care less and honestly it should be legal to use in competition
however i could care less and honestly it should be legal to use in competition
Posted on 9/16/11 at 3:57 pm to TheSexecutioner
doping has always been down to a science.
the drugs will always be ahead of the testing methods
the drugs will always be ahead of the testing methods
Posted on 9/16/11 at 3:58 pm to lsucoonass
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and honestly it should be legal to use in competition
No, it should not.
Posted on 9/16/11 at 4:00 pm to TheSexecutioner
“The only thing more boring than Track, is Field“ -- Dan Jenkins
Posted on 9/16/11 at 4:02 pm to VABuckeye
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honestly it should be legal to use in competition
absolutley
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No, it should not
why not? please don't say because of the children
Posted on 9/16/11 at 4:02 pm to Zamoro10
i guess the op has suspicions about the kenyan long distance runners too
Posted on 9/16/11 at 4:13 pm to H-Town Tiger
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why not? please don't say because of the children
What children? You're supposed to compete naturally and it's already proven that at least some performance enhancing drugs can lead to death. That's reason enough for me.
Additionally, where do you draw the lines in the performance enhancing drugs that you allow because clearly you can't allow all of them to be used by competitors.
Posted on 9/16/11 at 4:14 pm to jcole4lsu
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i guess the op has suspicions about the kenyan long distance runners too
Absolutely. Can you put forth a case for why you think this would be a ridiculous suspicion?
Do I think Kenyans(Ethiopians are better and more scrutinized for cheating, fwiw) would be better than Americans sans drugs? sure. Does that mean they aren't using them to get an advantage over their countrymen and other East Africans? That would be naive to assume.
Posted on 9/16/11 at 4:19 pm to TheSexecutioner
I don't see it with the Kenyans. They've been dominant for a long time and they train at high altitude. It seems to me that they have a winning formula. But, at the end of the day, who really knows?
Posted on 9/16/11 at 4:22 pm to lsucoonass
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doping has always been down to a science.
When I say track is down to a science I mean researchers can now say, with a good degree of accuracy, the exact benefits a certain amount of EPO will have on one's energy system, and translate that into seconds per mile.
So assuming that the advantage gained is 4 seconds per mile, that would mean that the best clean athlete has to be 4 seconds faster than the top dopers in the world to stay ahead of them? Many people can come within a few seconds of the best in the world and some of them will be tempted to cheat.
At least in baseball, you can't put a figure on how much run production another 20 pounds of solid muscle is going to help you. It's a definite advantage but not one that is going to run it's course in every single competition. In fact, in some competitions, the added bulk could be harmful(ex:Barry Bonds tagging up on a marginal fly ball)
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