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Amazing Numbers on Flows Through Spillways
Posted on 5/5/11 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 5/5/11 at 1:28 pm
I was just reading an article on Nola.com and saw what i thought were some amazing numbers on the amount of water that can be diverted through these structures.
Bonet Carre:250,000 cu.ft./sec or 1.87mm gal/sec
Morganza:600,000 cu.ft./sec or 4.49mm gal/sec
ORCS:620,000 cu.ft/sec or 4.64mm gal/sec
Total diverted at 100% cap. = 1,450,000 cu.ft/sec
Bonet Carre:250,000 cu.ft./sec or 1.87mm gal/sec
Morganza:600,000 cu.ft./sec or 4.49mm gal/sec
ORCS:620,000 cu.ft/sec or 4.64mm gal/sec
Total diverted at 100% cap. = 1,450,000 cu.ft/sec
Posted on 5/5/11 at 1:35 pm to MadtownTiger
quote:yes
mm is that million
Posted on 5/5/11 at 1:43 pm to RPC4LSU
Was talkin to a post-grad in my lab up here at LSU and he said the Army Corps doesnt want to open Morganza because the M.River could possible jump so hard that they wont be able to close it, because the river has been wanting to jump for decades and the Corps has kept it contained with all the gates and shite up above BR.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:00 pm to RPC4LSU
If they would leave these partially open year round our marshes would be in much better shape.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:02 pm to MadtownTiger
quote:I don't believe that at all.
Was talkin to a post-grad in my lab up here at LSU and he said the Army Corps doesnt want to open Morganza because the M.River could possible jump so hard that they wont be able to close it,
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:13 pm to AlxTgr
quote:
I don't believe that at all.
Why do you think the atchafalaya basin had been rising. Higher sediment deposit from increased river diversion.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:25 pm to MadtownTiger
quote:
Army Corps doesnt want to open Morganza because the M.River could possible jump so hard that they wont be able to close it
I keep hearing this, but don't understand why they wouldn't be able to close it. The river level is going to go down in June. When the river is way down, the water on the batture/forebay of the Bonnet Carre structure doesn't even reach the weir height... There's no rushing water to deal with.
Maybe the Morganza is constructed differently.
This post was edited on 5/5/11 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:25 pm to MadtownTiger
OK, but what does that have to do with the quoted statement about fear of opening?
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:32 pm to MadtownTiger
If they open up the Morganza(which they have not done since 1973) it will be catastrophic to the Atchafalaya Basin. Friends that own a camp on Four Mile Bayou in the Lake Verrett area are heading out there today to try and get all there furniture up. He thinks his camp might be in trouble already just with the water rising so fast. He said if the Morganza is opened, his camp is done. Sad, sad situation for everyone involved in this one. We might be on the verge of another 1929(I think that was the year) flood.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:35 pm to Nissanmaxima
I crossed through Morgan City yesterday and without the gates open the water is only about two feet below ground level by the seawall. Morgan city, Gibson, Southdown Mandalay and portions of Bayou Black are going to have some problems.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:36 pm to Nissanmaxima
Anyone who built in the floodway since 1958 had to know that this day could come. It came in 1973, and here it is again.
What really sucks is the flooding caused in other areas because local rivers and bayous can't drain efficiently into the Atchafalaya.
What really sucks is the flooding caused in other areas because local rivers and bayous can't drain efficiently into the Atchafalaya.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:37 pm to White Roach
I can't think of an instance where forced drainage hasn't screwed something up. Our coasts would be much better off and protected in many instances if we just let the flood plain do its job. Sure some areas would not have been developed but in the big scheme of things that would be better.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:40 pm to RPC4LSU
quote:
Bonet Carre:250,000 cu.ft./sec or 1.87mm gal/sec
Morganza:600,000 cu.ft./sec or 4.49mm gal/sec
ORCS:620,000 cu.ft/sec or 4.64mm gal/sec
Total diverted at 100% cap. = 1,450,000 cu.ft/sec
I'd like to see of the OB kayakers take these on.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:41 pm to bayoudude
Our place on Verret is about 5.5ft up....guess we will see what happens.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 2:43 pm to bayoudude
All so true! Man this will be a very sad indeed. Some damn good times at that camp and with Memorial Weekend coming up and with the summer just around the corner, very sad indeed for everyone involved, not just the ones in the Basin.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 3:22 pm to Nissanmaxima
The idea that a river finds the shortest route to the ocean is what I'm saying. This is the reason they built the ORCS, to keep the MS River from diverting back to the Atchafalaya through Old River. But if you open up Morganza, which is a shorter route, their afraid if the MS River suddenly diverts pressure off Old River to the Army Corps Morganza Channel they could have problems with the dam and control structure that are there to keep the MS River from diverting which it nearly did in '73.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 3:29 pm to RPC4LSU
I thought the ORCS was the series of dams north of the Morganza spillway?
The Morganza spillway is a lot larger than those 3 dams.
The Morganza spillway is a lot larger than those 3 dams.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 3:39 pm to meauxjeaux2
River and Spillway Flow Rates
Here is the link.
Here is the link.
Posted on 5/5/11 at 3:44 pm to RPC4LSU
that is amazing to me.
The Morganza is fricking huge compared to those 3 damn.
I don't understand how they could flow as much as or more than the Morganza.
The Morganza is fricking huge compared to those 3 damn.
I don't understand how they could flow as much as or more than the Morganza.
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