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Oil & Gas Stocks
Posted on 3/8/11 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 3/8/11 at 12:22 pm
Guys,
Whats your outlook on the oil and gas markets with the sudden volatility in oil and the crises in Libya etc.
Looking at making some plays and was looking at Cameron Internation Corp (CAM). Can I get feedback from Russian, RedStick, or others on this company?
Whats your outlook on the oil and gas markets with the sudden volatility in oil and the crises in Libya etc.
Looking at making some plays and was looking at Cameron Internation Corp (CAM). Can I get feedback from Russian, RedStick, or others on this company?
Posted on 3/8/11 at 2:38 pm to zbra24
quote:You will have to pay them in gold.
Can I get feedback from Russian, RedStick
Posted on 3/8/11 at 2:49 pm to Tiger4
Posted on 3/8/11 at 2:59 pm to zbra24
While I firmly believe in peak oil and that the world is at a production plateau...
I also would never bet on oil because of this...
LINK
Nat. gas. is a mystery to me. I thought some really smart guys were predicting shortages a few years ago. Yet, we seem to be in a glut. This goldbug guy sees nat. gas going way up soon.
LINK
I also would never bet on oil because of this...
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Altogether, 2011 looks to be potentially an even more crucial year than 2008. Libya’s oil production will likely fall to near zero, whatever changes in government occur. The Saudis promise to replace that 1.5 million barrels per day of production from their own spare capacity, but recent history leads some observers to question whether they really can. And Saudi Arabia faces its own potential for domestic unrest (hence the announcement of $36 billion in new social spending in that country just two days ago). We may again see a brief oil price surge to $150a barrel—perhaps even $200—this year, but if this occurs it will trigger a massive recession and financial crash that will prompt further revolt and revolution around the world. But of course the recession will dampen demand such that oil prices will once more collapse, causing further instability in the Middle East.
LINK
Nat. gas. is a mystery to me. I thought some really smart guys were predicting shortages a few years ago. Yet, we seem to be in a glut. This goldbug guy sees nat. gas going way up soon.
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8. The answer would depend on how bad things spun out of control in the Mid East, and the effect on oil prices. The Natural Gas Glut Fan Club might want to consider writing their last “financial rites” now, because NatGas is ultimately poised to outperform oil, and the banksters are now holding an almost “out of this world” amount of NatGas long positions. They are long and strong. Are you? The banksters have spent five years building ever larger long positions in NatGas, while the fundsters are holding the naked shorty pants bag. Get ready for the short covering surprise of your life. If the Mid East powder keg blows, so does team NatGas Shorty Pants. There is no way in a billion years the banksters are going to take the NatGas short positions from team shorty pants, at anything remotely near current prices. Shorty Pants should be terrified right now, instead of adding to his insane positions.
9. My long term target for NatGas is $20, but $50 or $100 are possible, if oil blows to $300 or higher. In my professional opinion, naked shorting NatGas now is the single most dangerous market action an investor could engage in, in any market. The only stupider action would be to be long natgas in a monster price plop at higher prices, and demand the Mid East blows now, because you are impatient waiting for the glut to end so your gas rises against the dollar. Patience, not demand-making, is the prime key to wealth building. If you can’t think in the ultra long term with at least a portion of your market actions, you are doomed, as the coming volatility will put “short term only” traders in a meat grinder.
LINK
Posted on 3/8/11 at 5:09 pm to Bunk Moreland
thanks for the information there, good read. Not sure what it means but still worth 10mins of your time.
Posted on 3/8/11 at 5:26 pm to zbra24
I've been following Chesapeake Energy (CHK) for a little while now. Heard about them a number of months ago. They are supposed to start using this technology to tap into natural gas supply called "fracking." They also received an investment from some Chinese company a while back. Might be worth looking into since natural gas supposedly is clean burning and might be "next big thing" with the green movement.
Posted on 3/8/11 at 5:31 pm to 704Reb
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I've been following Chesapeake Energy (CHK) for a little while now. Heard about them a number of months ago. They are supposed to start using this technology to tap into natural gas supply called "fracking." They also received an investment from some Chinese company a while back. Might be worth looking into since natural gas supposedly is clean burning and might be "next big thing" with the green movement.
You are at least 3 years behind the curve as far as CHK. fracking, and the big gas plays.
Posted on 3/8/11 at 5:51 pm to JWS3
quote:Ok? Stocks have pretty much had a reset since that time. So now is still a good price to get in according to your comparison of 3 years ago. CHK closed at $44.74 on March 3, 2008. Today it closed at $32.60. Sorry, don't know about any adjusting. Just using your 3 year comparison.
You are at least 3 years behind the curve
ETA: I also was under the impression that fracking was still a somewhat new technology and hasn't been fully adopted. Correct me if I'm wrong with this tech as I don't know all that much about it.
This post was edited on 3/8/11 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 3/8/11 at 6:24 pm to zbra24
Looks decent to me. From the company's guidance issued on Feb. 2:
I always take the most conservative figure, so 2.65 in this case. Industry avg. P/E is 27. 2.65 x 27 = 71.55.
And then you have to take into account whether the company is guiding low, high, or fairly. I think they are guiding pretty fairly. So I think this is a fair EPS range to use. Conservatism, as stated, would have us use 2.65.
Keep in mind:
Sector avg. P/E is 20. 2.65 x 20 is 53.
S&P Avg. P/E is about the same, so there's your downside.
Company's inventories are steadily decreasing, implying the revenue figures they've been posting are actual cash inflows. This is confirmed by the company's improving cash flow situation.
Next quarter's EPS guidance is .63-.66. That figure could be a little low, as opposed to their annual figure. Is this company seasonal?
Just some quick thoughts. I haven't dug very deep so do your own DD.
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2011 earnings expected to reach $2.65 to $2.75 per share
I always take the most conservative figure, so 2.65 in this case. Industry avg. P/E is 27. 2.65 x 27 = 71.55.
And then you have to take into account whether the company is guiding low, high, or fairly. I think they are guiding pretty fairly. So I think this is a fair EPS range to use. Conservatism, as stated, would have us use 2.65.
Keep in mind:
Sector avg. P/E is 20. 2.65 x 20 is 53.
S&P Avg. P/E is about the same, so there's your downside.
Company's inventories are steadily decreasing, implying the revenue figures they've been posting are actual cash inflows. This is confirmed by the company's improving cash flow situation.
Next quarter's EPS guidance is .63-.66. That figure could be a little low, as opposed to their annual figure. Is this company seasonal?
Just some quick thoughts. I haven't dug very deep so do your own DD.
This post was edited on 3/8/11 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 3/8/11 at 6:47 pm to 704Reb
quote:
Heard about them a number of months ago. They are supposed to start using this technology to tap into natural gas supply called "fracking."
I'm about start to investing in Ford. Supposedly they have this new fangled manufacturing process called the "assembly line."
Come on man, fracking has been used commercially since HAL introduced it in 1947 and ~90% of wells use fracking to produce paying quantities.
Posted on 3/8/11 at 7:59 pm to RedStickBR
Thanks RedStick, exactly what I was looking for. Have a friend who works there and said business is blowing up with the company and stock price for the past year has increased greatly. I was a little concerned initially because this company makes the BOP that was on the deep horizon, but appears they have been absolved of any wrongful acts or responsibility.
Posted on 3/8/11 at 8:16 pm to zbra24
N/M
This post was edited on 3/8/11 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 3/8/11 at 8:35 pm to Athanatos
quote:
Come on man, fracking has been used commercially since HAL introduced it in 1947 and ~90% of wells use fracking to produce paying quantities.
Fracking
Posted on 3/8/11 at 9:03 pm to zbra24
Company does warn about litigation risk in their most recent K, so that's something you'll need to keep an ear out for going forward. Don't ever assume a company is outside of the bounds of an ambitious attorney armed with a sympathetic plaintiff. Just assess the risk. Talk to folks in the industry. I honestly haven't been keeping up with all the litigation going on down there.
This post was edited on 3/8/11 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 3/9/11 at 7:58 am to RedStickBR
CHK is moving away from Natty gas to oil. Witness the recent BHP sale. I'm just saying if you're looking for a gas play these guys are moving out.
Posted on 3/9/11 at 2:24 pm to 704Reb
quote:
I've been following Chesapeake Energy (CHK) for a little while now. Heard about them a number of months ago. They are supposed to start using this technology to tap into natural gas supply called "fracking." They also received an investment from some Chinese company a while back. Might be worth looking into since natural gas supposedly is clean burning and might be "next big thing" with the green movement.
Fracking has been around for decades, you are talking about Shale gas, which has also been around over a decade.
Posted on 3/9/11 at 10:46 pm to Captain Aubrey
DNR, Denbury has an innovative approach of CO2 injection into wells to boost production as another alternative play. I've done quite well with them and believe there is plenty of upside.
As peak oil becomes more of a reality the alternative approaches in shale etc will become increasingly viable. Add the potential mideast disturbances and secure North American extractions will also be more more attractive.
Other smaller caps for dd consideration- VQ, CVE, CNX
As peak oil becomes more of a reality the alternative approaches in shale etc will become increasingly viable. Add the potential mideast disturbances and secure North American extractions will also be more more attractive.
Other smaller caps for dd consideration- VQ, CVE, CNX
Posted on 3/10/11 at 7:01 am to blueslover
I really think Oil prices are going to head south over the next few months. XOM CEO was on yesterday and spoke about how the market easily found replacement oil for what is being lost from Libya. Fear is the only thing pushing oil above $100. I think we are closer to $60 than previous '08 highs. We have too much supply and it's only going to get worse at this price.
I would not buy any oil stocks for short term gains.
I would not buy any oil stocks for short term gains.
This post was edited on 3/10/11 at 7:03 am
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