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Posted on 2/16/11 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 2/16/11 at 9:50 pm
the scene in LoTR when Galadriel starts flipping out over the ring when Frodo stares down into that future cauldron thing. 
she's not much of a confidence builder as she roars, tells Frodo the Fellowship is falling apart, and she sees them failing. Aren't they like ten days into the journey at this point?
LoTR rings geeks, need some questions answered:
First, how is Bilbo still not evil as frick after sixty years with the ring, especially since he's probably one of the most rebel minded Hobbits? Hell, it's evil was taking Frodo down within a year and a half.
How big is Middle Earth in terms of current countries' size? They travel from a Himalyan mountain top to lush forests in a couple hours...
Sauron clearly wears the ring around this huge arse glove...how does the ring of a nine foot magical warlord fit on the finger of a Hobbit?
One more, why didn't the guys who killed Ysildor, take the ring themselves?
she's not much of a confidence builder as she roars, tells Frodo the Fellowship is falling apart, and she sees them failing. Aren't they like ten days into the journey at this point? LoTR rings geeks, need some questions answered:
First, how is Bilbo still not evil as frick after sixty years with the ring, especially since he's probably one of the most rebel minded Hobbits? Hell, it's evil was taking Frodo down within a year and a half.
How big is Middle Earth in terms of current countries' size? They travel from a Himalyan mountain top to lush forests in a couple hours...
Sauron clearly wears the ring around this huge arse glove...how does the ring of a nine foot magical warlord fit on the finger of a Hobbit?
One more, why didn't the guys who killed Ysildor, take the ring themselves?
This post was edited on 2/16/11 at 9:57 pm
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Posted on 2/16/11 at 9:58 pm to DanglingFury
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First, how is Bilbo still not evil as frick after sixty years with the ring, especially since the he's one the most rebel minded Hobbits? Hell, it's evil was taking Frodo down within a year and a half.
Hobbits are stout folk so the ring takes longer to show ill effects.
In the book, Frodo has the ring for a long time too. Many years pass from the time Bilbo leaves until he sets forth on the adventure. We don't see time pass in the movie, but I think it was 10 to 20 years from Bilbo leaving until Frodo set off.
Same for travel. Things were of course condensed for the movie but in the book I recall the trip takes a year.
When Isildur died, the ring fell off into the river. Orcs are dumb, they didn't even know to look for the ring or they couldn't find it.
I am not sure Sauron was some giant monster in the books. That was simply for dramatic effect in the movies.
This post was edited on 2/16/11 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 2/16/11 at 10:05 pm to TigerMyth36
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When Isildur died, the ring fell off into the river. Orcs are dumb, they didn't even know to look for the ring or they couldn't find it.
In the movie, they make it look like humans killed him.
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I am not sure Sauron was some giant monster in the books. That was simply for dramatic effect in the movies.
That's bunk.
Posted on 2/16/11 at 10:10 pm to DanglingFury
Na, he was attacked by a orc raiding party while on the road.
Posted on 2/16/11 at 10:10 pm to DanglingFury
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LoTR rings
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First, how is Bilbo still not evil as frick after sixty years with the ring, especially since he's probably one of the most rebel minded Hobbits? Hell, it's evil was taking Frodo down within a year and a half.
I like to think that the ring took a heavy toll on Smeagol because he had already committed an evil deed to get it. Had Frodo stayed in the shire, I think he would have had a similar experience to Bilbo with the ring. However, getting closer and closer to Mt. Doom caused the ring to get "antsy," so to speak, as it did not want to be destroyed and really wanted to find a way back to its true master.
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How big is Middle Earth in terms of current countries' size? They travel from a Himalyan mountain top to lush forests in a couple hours...
I imagine it's probably about the size of Asia?
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Sauron clearly wears the ring around this huge arse glove...how does the ring of a nine foot magical warlord fit on the finger of a Hobbit?
It shrinks or expands to fit the wearer. You know, magic.
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One more, why didn't the guys who killed Ysildor, take the ring themselves?
The ring fell to the bottom of the river.
This post was edited on 2/16/11 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 2/16/11 at 10:12 pm to Muppet
Plus, Gollum used the ring constantly to steal and kill.
Bilbo probably almost never used the ring and the same can be said for Frodo. They were both good decent hobbits so they weren't stealing and killing or in situations where they might be tempted to be evil. Whereas gollum was evil from the second he killed Deagol.
Bilbo probably almost never used the ring and the same can be said for Frodo. They were both good decent hobbits so they weren't stealing and killing or in situations where they might be tempted to be evil. Whereas gollum was evil from the second he killed Deagol.
Posted on 2/16/11 at 10:23 pm to TigerMyth36
very good answers. Feeling better about all my plot holes. Side question, Star Wars and LoTR start at the same time, and you have nowhere to be, which one do you watch more of?
Posted on 2/16/11 at 10:27 pm to DanglingFury
1) Bilbo and the Ring -
First, Sauron was weaker when Bilbo obtained the ring and was expelled from Dol Guldur during The Hobbit (he was the Necromancer - Gandalf's absence from the book was when he was driven from the Tower). Second, Bilbo kept the Ring in the Shire, far from Mordor. Third, in the books, Frodo held the ring for almost two decades before he undetook his quest, similarly without any effect. Finally, the Ring's power and influence grew as Sauron grew stronger and Frodo got closer to Mordor (and similarly physically weakened due to the Quest itself).
2) Middle Earth is actually very large, roughly the size of Europe. In the book, the quest begins on Frodo's birthday (September 22) and ends in March of the following year. He (and the Fellowship) spent approximately a month in Rivendell, so he was traveling for six months, most on foot, but a good distance by the River Anduin.
3) The Ring adjusted its circumference based on its keeper. This is reflected in the movie when Isildur picked up the Ring and it shrunk while it was in his hand.
4) This one was already answered. The Orcs would not have known what to look for. In fact, the existence of th Ring was not shared with the hordes that were searching for the Ringbearer in the book.
/nerd
First, Sauron was weaker when Bilbo obtained the ring and was expelled from Dol Guldur during The Hobbit (he was the Necromancer - Gandalf's absence from the book was when he was driven from the Tower). Second, Bilbo kept the Ring in the Shire, far from Mordor. Third, in the books, Frodo held the ring for almost two decades before he undetook his quest, similarly without any effect. Finally, the Ring's power and influence grew as Sauron grew stronger and Frodo got closer to Mordor (and similarly physically weakened due to the Quest itself).
2) Middle Earth is actually very large, roughly the size of Europe. In the book, the quest begins on Frodo's birthday (September 22) and ends in March of the following year. He (and the Fellowship) spent approximately a month in Rivendell, so he was traveling for six months, most on foot, but a good distance by the River Anduin.
3) The Ring adjusted its circumference based on its keeper. This is reflected in the movie when Isildur picked up the Ring and it shrunk while it was in his hand.
4) This one was already answered. The Orcs would not have known what to look for. In fact, the existence of th Ring was not shared with the hordes that were searching for the Ringbearer in the book.
/nerd
This post was edited on 2/16/11 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 2/16/11 at 10:32 pm to DanglingFury
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Side question, Star Wars and LoTR start at the same time, and you have nowhere to be, which one do you watch more of?
LoTR for me
Posted on 2/16/11 at 10:33 pm to udtiger
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/nerd
So I take it you're a fan...
Posted on 2/16/11 at 10:36 pm to DanglingFury
Very much so. I've read The Hobbit and LOTR multiple times, as well as The Silmarillion (although, I will admit that was a chore).
The movies are awesome, and true masterpieces. The differences from them and the books work very well. What I found truly impressive was that they captured in many ways how my "mind's eye" had always pictured things.
The movies are awesome, and true masterpieces. The differences from them and the books work very well. What I found truly impressive was that they captured in many ways how my "mind's eye" had always pictured things.
Posted on 2/16/11 at 10:38 pm to Covington
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Side question, Star Wars and LoTR start at the same time, and you have nowhere to be, which one do you watch more of?
I wanna say SW, but I've seen it so many times, right now, I'd probably watch more of LotR.
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