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Re: Rocky IV (OH YES THEY DID)
Posted on 12/26/10 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 12/26/10 at 3:18 pm
For big fans like me. They finally released the REAL Rocky IV score so you can get all the badass Drago music and REAL training montage and fight scene music
and of course this classic gem:
LINK
and of course this classic gem:
LINK
Posted on 12/26/10 at 3:40 pm to Pilot Tiger
"Who taught her to talk like dat?"
"She loves me"
"She loves me"
Posted on 12/26/10 at 4:37 pm to Jamohn
my ringtone is now the Paulie Robot music
Posted on 12/26/10 at 5:56 pm to Pilot Tiger
I'm pretty sure the montage music was already on the OST. I know because I had it on tape and played it to death when I was a kid
Posted on 12/27/10 at 1:08 am to Muppet
yea there was a training montage on the original OST, however it wasnt what was in the movie. Same with the fight sequence at the end. It was changed from the movie to the OST
this new release is exactly what was in the movie, with extra scoring that wasnt included
this new release is exactly what was in the movie, with extra scoring that wasnt included
Posted on 12/27/10 at 9:03 am to Pilot Tiger
quote:
Duke: [to Rocky] YOU SEE??? YOU SEE??? He's not a MACHINE!!! HE'S A MAN!!! HE'S A MAN!!!
Drago: [to his own trainer] He's not human. He's like a piece of iron.
Wells up man tears inside every time.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 10:45 am to theunknownknight
quote:
Duke: [to Rocky] YOU SEE??? YOU SEE??? He's not a MACHINE!!! HE'S A MAN!!! HE'S A MAN!!!
Drago: [to his own trainer] He's not human. He's like a piece of iron.
Wells up man tears inside every time.
LINK
Posted on 12/27/10 at 12:02 pm to Kracka
my favorite part of the movie to
Posted on 12/27/10 at 12:22 pm to BDtiger5
True or False:
Ivan Drago is one of the most sympathetic "bad guys" in modern movie history.
I say true. I actually felt bad for him through out the movie.
Ivan Drago is one of the most sympathetic "bad guys" in modern movie history.
I say true. I actually felt bad for him through out the movie.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 12:36 pm to Antonio Moss
he was a product of:
1. roids
2. his bitch arse wife
3. a regime that wanted to win at all cost and dominate every sport
He was basically a robot
1. roids
2. his bitch arse wife
3. a regime that wanted to win at all cost and dominate every sport
He was basically a robot
Posted on 12/27/10 at 12:38 pm to Antonio Moss
I say false.
The man showed absolutely zero emotion or remorse when he killed Apollo.
"If he dies, he dies."
frick YOU DRAGO!! YOU FILTHY RUSKIE COMMIE BASTARD!!
The man showed absolutely zero emotion or remorse when he killed Apollo.
"If he dies, he dies."
frick YOU DRAGO!! YOU FILTHY RUSKIE COMMIE BASTARD!!
Posted on 12/27/10 at 12:50 pm to Jamohn
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The man showed absolutely zero emotion or remorse when he killed Apollo.
"If he dies, he dies."
It wasn't his fault Apollo died. He was simply competing. Rocky should have thrown the towel in. He was under the heavy hand of the Soviet ministry. Had he expressed any remorse, they would have probably killed his family.
At the end of the movie when he is shouting to the crowd "I fight for me," really sent the message home I think. He was not allowed to even compete for himself or make his own decisions because of the Soviet government.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 1:08 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:Nobody's looking for overt expressions of remorse. Any hint in his eyes or body language to show he was human. A sympathetic figure would've found a way to communicate subtly some effect after having a human supposedly unintentionally die by his hand. I found him to be totally unsympathetic. Apollo in Rocky 2 was far more sympathetic a villain.
It wasn't his fault Apollo died. He was simply competing. Rocky should have thrown the towel in. He was under the heavy hand of the Soviet ministry. Had he expressed any remorse, they would have probably killed his family.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 1:24 pm to Jamohn
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Re: Rocky IV (OH YES THEY DID)
I'm in heaven!!!
Posted on 12/27/10 at 1:43 pm to Jamohn
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Nobody's looking for overt expressions of remorse. Any hint in his eyes or body language to show he was human.
Thats just it - he wasn't "human." He was a machine created under the heavy oppression of the Soviet government. His personal will had been stomped out of him.
And that makes him a sympathetic character.
quote:
A sympathetic figure would've found a way to communicate subtly some effect after having a human supposedly unintentionally die by his hand.
But he was already past that emotional threshold through no fault of his own.
quote:
Apollo in Rocky 2 was far more sympathetic a villain.
On what grounds is Apollo sympathetic?
He was a great athlete who underestimated Balboa in the first film and was simply beat in the second. He had no true hardships in any of the films (with the exception of IV). There was nothing outside of his control that affected his ability to perform.
Sure, he was probably the most likable "villain" because of his personality, but likable doesn't equal sympathetic.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 3:10 pm to Antonio Moss
I think the scene where he's reading the hate mail and later talking about how people are insulting his kids at school, etc.
Also when he says "I won but I didn't beat him." It was a glimpse into a vulnerable man's psyche who was having his worth questioned by others and doubting himself for the first time in his life. I found that very sympathetic.
Also when he says "I won but I didn't beat him." It was a glimpse into a vulnerable man's psyche who was having his worth questioned by others and doubting himself for the first time in his life. I found that very sympathetic.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 3:31 pm to Jamohn
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I think the scene where he's reading the hate mail and later talking about how people are insulting his kids at school, etc.
Okay, but this pails in comparison to a world class athlete having his entire career taken from him by his government.
quote:
Also when he says "I won but I didn't beat him." It was a glimpse into a vulnerable man's psyche who was having his worth questioned by others and doubting himself for the first time in his life. I found that very sympathetic.
Okay, but again, that pales in comparison to Drago's struggle.
Every athlete goes through self-doubt, not many athletes in the Western World are stripped of all free will in regards to competition.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 3:44 pm to Antonio Moss
I hear what you're saying man, but he killed apollo, dammit! I can't forgive that shite!!
Posted on 12/27/10 at 3:46 pm to Antonio Moss
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Re: Rocky IV (OH YES THEY DID)
quote:
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Nobody's looking for overt expressions of remorse. Any hint in his eyes or body language to show he was human.
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Thats just it - he wasn't "human." He was a machine created under the heavy oppression of the Soviet government. His personal will had been stomped out of him.
And that makes him a sympathetic character.
quote:
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A sympathetic figure would've found a way to communicate subtly some effect after having a human supposedly unintentionally die by his hand.
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But he was already past that emotional threshold through no fault of his own.
quote:
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Apollo in Rocky 2 was far more sympathetic a villain.
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On what grounds is Apollo sympathetic?
He was a great athlete who underestimated Balboa in the first film and was simply beat in the second. He had no true hardships in any of the films (with the exception of IV). There was nothing outside of his control that affected his ability to perform.
Sure, he was probably the most likable "villain" because of his personality, but likable doesn't equal sympathetic.
Excellent Rocky IV insight.
Posted on 12/27/10 at 3:51 pm to Jamohn
quote:
I hear what you're saying man, but he killed apollo, dammit! I can't forgive that shite!!
But you forgive Balboa for not throwing in the towel?
Or the referee for allowing it to continue when Apollo couldn't lift his arms?
"You don't stop this fight. No matter what . . .no matter what."
Probably one of my favorite lines in all the Rocky movies.
As a side note, I always laugh during that fight when the announcers talk about how big the Russian and Carl Weathers is about an inch shorter, 30 lbs heavier, and jacked up.
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