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True or False: In Sports, Everything is for Sale
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:09 am
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:09 am
It just seems like in the last month, every major story has to do with championships being bought rather than won.
1) Camgate. Want a Heisman/National Championship team? Just go out and buy one.
2) TCU to the Big East. The university chancellor goes on record saying it's all about the auto-bid, which boils down to money.
3) The Yankees are going after every decent arm they can find. Because they have twice the payroll of the next closest MLB team.
4) Today Russia and Qatar beat out England and the US for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, amid rampant speculation about bribing the selection committee. No coincidence that two of the most corrupt countries/cultures in the world won.
5) Don't even get me started on high school athletics and facilities.
So, are championships even won anymore, or are they just bought?
(*Note: One more reason I am SO thankful for the NFL, where small-market cities like New Orleans and Green Bay still have a shot every year. But, evidently, greed is giong to shut that down next season, too.)
1) Camgate. Want a Heisman/National Championship team? Just go out and buy one.
2) TCU to the Big East. The university chancellor goes on record saying it's all about the auto-bid, which boils down to money.
3) The Yankees are going after every decent arm they can find. Because they have twice the payroll of the next closest MLB team.
4) Today Russia and Qatar beat out England and the US for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, amid rampant speculation about bribing the selection committee. No coincidence that two of the most corrupt countries/cultures in the world won.
5) Don't even get me started on high school athletics and facilities.
So, are championships even won anymore, or are they just bought?
(*Note: One more reason I am SO thankful for the NFL, where small-market cities like New Orleans and Green Bay still have a shot every year. But, evidently, greed is giong to shut that down next season, too.)
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Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:12 am to RockChalkTiger
As snopes would say: true and false.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:16 am to RockChalkTiger
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1) Camgate. Want a Heisman/National Championship team? Just go out and buy one.
This is a good point, I mean its not like Auburn had to go out and play and wins those games.
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3) The Yankees are going after every decent arm they can find. Because they have twice the payroll of the next closest MLB team.
How many WS have the Yankees won in the last 10 years again? Oh yeah! just as many as the Marlins, Giants and Phillies!
But realy what fiends the Yankees owners are, trying to get the best players they can and shame on the players in a quasi capitalist system for taking the best offer. What is this world coming to.
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So, are championships even won anymore, or are they just bought?
how many WS have the Yankees won in the last 10 years again? How about the Mets? Dodgers? Cubs? These teams all have big payrolls. You are waxing nostaglic for a time that never existed.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:23 am to RockChalkTiger
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True or False: In Life, Everything is for Sale
True
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:24 am to H-Town Tiger
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how many WS have the Yankees won in the last 10 years again? How about the Mets? Dodgers? Cubs? These teams all have big payrolls. You are waxing nostaglic for a time that never existed.
probably the 80s...
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:30 am to chalmetteowl
The 80s never existed?
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:32 am to RockChalkTiger
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True or False: In Sports, Everything is for Sale
True. Everything is for sale depending on the price.
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So, are championships even won anymore, or are they just bought?
Having the most money helps, but does not guarantee the best. Look at the Dream Team losing in the Olympics. The Yankees don't win the WS every year just because they have the highest payroll. Michigan didn't win the NC in CBB despite paying 4 players.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:35 am to Sophandros
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The 80s never existed?
I was assuming he meant the oposter was waxing for the 80's, cause you know there were no college players getting money under the table or any thing like that in the 80's and you surely didn't see the Yankees going after all kinds of big name free agents then either.
This post was edited on 12/2/10 at 10:36 am
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:43 am to H-Town Tiger
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cause you know there were no college players getting money under the table or any thing like that in the 80's
Cam Newton is the only player who was bought in college football. And before him, no shady deals have happened since Reggie Bush. Thought you knew that.
And don't forget that in the 80s, no college basketball teams were involved in major gambling and point shaving scandals, no college athletes (and students in general) did drugs (especially not cocaine...), there was no steroid use, and instead of rain and snow, we had gumdrops falling from the sky.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:45 am to Sophandros
i was just saying that because the royals, cardinals, and oakland a's dominated that decade...
Posted on 12/2/10 at 10:59 am to H-Town Tiger
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How many WS have the Yankees won in the last 10 years again?
And how many pennants? But maybe that was a bad example. Let's change that one to:
3) MLB. Not strong enough to jack 60 HR/year on your own? Go out and buy some PEDs and juice your way to the home run title.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 11:03 am to chalmetteowl
From 1980-1989 9 teams won the WS, the Dodges won it twice (81,88)
From 2000-2009 8 teams won the WS, the Yankees (00,09) and Red Sox (04,07) won it twice.
From 2000-2009 8 teams won the WS, the Yankees (00,09) and Red Sox (04,07) won it twice.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 11:16 am to RockChalkTiger
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And how many pennants?
From 2000-09 the NYY won 4. From 80-89 Stl and Oak won 3.
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Let's change that one to:
3) MLB. Not strong enough to jack 60 HR/year on your own? Go out and buy some PEDs and juice your way to the home run title.
Yep, no cheating in the past in baseball like spit balls, corked bats or using "greenies", and no way woudl they consider throwing the WS over money
Posted on 12/2/10 at 11:21 am to H-Town Tiger
BTW, the best way to measure parity is not the championships. Number of standard deviations from the mean by the best and worst records is a more accurate measure, as well as looking at how many teams inhabit the extremes.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 11:32 am to Sophandros
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the best way to measure parity is not the championships. Number of standard deviations from the mean by the best and worst records is a more accurate measure, as well as looking at how many teams inhabit the extremes
yeah, but, I quote Chevy Chase "I was told there would be no math, during the debate"
Posted on 12/2/10 at 11:32 am to H-Town Tiger
I'm not saying that this is an entirely new phenomenon (although it does seem a bit more prevalent in the last month or so), just that it is becoming even more obvious and less transparent than it was in the past. The Black Sox was a huge scandal in its day. Now most people can't even remember that SMU got the death penalty, or why. It seems much more accepted now.
This post was edited on 12/2/10 at 11:43 am
Posted on 12/2/10 at 11:34 am to Sophandros
Without looking it up how many 100 loss teams are there nowadays? Aside from that Tigers team. Hell, the O's and Pirates have sucked for two decades straight, and rarely drop below a 40% winning percentage. Baseball has extreme parity compared to other sports based off winning percentage. Outliers are rare.
Oh, money doesn't guarrantee you a title. But it sure helps.
Oh, money doesn't guarrantee you a title. But it sure helps.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 11:46 am to Baloo
Teams well above the line have won more often than might be expected based on spending, while teams well below the line have won less often.
From 2001 to 2010, the Yankees spent 42 percent more than the second-highest spender, Boston, and have also won more games than any other team — 6 percent more than Boston. Some of the lowest-spending teams, like Kansas City and Pittsburgh, were also among the worst.
But there have also been some notable exceptions. Teams below the line, including Baltimore, Detroit and the Mets, have won less than might be expected. Teams above the line, including Florida, Minnesota and Oakland, have won more.
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This post was edited on 12/2/10 at 11:54 am
Posted on 12/2/10 at 11:57 am to Baloo
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Baseball has extreme parity compared to other sports based off winning percentage. Outliers are rare.
1. You have to normalize the standard deviation to compare to other leagues because there are so many games.
2. When you do this, the sport with the most parity is the NFL, then MLB, then NBA, then EPL.
Posted on 12/2/10 at 12:01 pm to RockChalkTiger
quote:Been that way for as long as I can remember even in little league baseball. A guaranteed trip to the old Astro World went a long way back then.
So, are championships even won anymore, or are they just bought?
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