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Bush/Obama, What's the difference?
Posted on 7/6/10 at 10:35 am
Posted on 7/6/10 at 10:35 am
WSJ
Seems like prior to the spill, there was not much difference at all. It's anyone's guess as to how they would have responded differently.
Seems like prior to the spill, there was not much difference at all. It's anyone's guess as to how they would have responded differently.
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Posted on 7/6/10 at 10:39 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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Before the packed house of politicians, activists and interested citizens, Mr. Salazar also defended the need for more offshore oil and gas. "The reality is that we have oil and gas potential in significant ways, especially in" the Gulf of Mexico, he said, according to a video of the event.
As much as I dislike that man, at least he has the common sense to realize there's no such thing as "The Energy Fairy"
Posted on 7/6/10 at 11:23 am to LSUKNUT
I work in O&G and prior to the spill, things were going better than I had expected.
The spill was possibly a "game changer", we shall see.
Offshore windfarms are largely a farce. In the few spots where they are feasible, they face the NIMBY mentality, even in the enlightened New England areas.
The spill was possibly a "game changer", we shall see.
Offshore windfarms are largely a farce. In the few spots where they are feasible, they face the NIMBY mentality, even in the enlightened New England areas.
Posted on 7/6/10 at 11:41 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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Bush/Obama, What's the difference?
Bush was slow to react to Katrina
Obama intensionally did not act so that he could use it to push his agenda OR Obama is simply inept and over his head in the job as POTUS.
Posted on 7/6/10 at 12:40 pm to MoreOrLes
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Obama intensionally did not act so that he could use it to push his agenda OR Obama is simply inept and over his head in the job as POTUS.
I see no difference in the competencies of the administrations. You are a partisan.
Posted on 7/6/10 at 4:07 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
competency no, socialistic agenda very much so.
Posted on 7/6/10 at 4:31 pm to MoreOrLes
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Obama intensionally did not act so that he could use it to push his agenda
This is on par with the libs that said Bush was slow to Katrina b/c he doesn't care about black people.
Posted on 7/6/10 at 4:50 pm to ashy larry
It is a tremendous mistake to think that the disaster in the Gulf of Mexico will help convince Americans of Barack Obama's incompetence. Obama's true agenda is so insidious that even his inability to handle a crisis serves his greater strategy.
And that strategy has a name: it is the Cloward-Piven Strategy. Named for the two Leftist sociology professors who formulated it, its purpose is to bring about the demise of capitalism by overloading the system, largely by making more people desperate and dependent on the government.
Thus, Cloward-Piven's goals are served by more and more aliens flooding across the border and filling jails, emergency rooms and welfare rolls. It is also served by the mortgage crisis; in fact, Professors Cloward and Piven were the creators of ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now), which helped pressure banks to implement the lending policies that precipitated that crisis. But Cloward-Piven seeks a financial crisis far wider-ranging and more encompassing than a mere mortgage meltdown.
So if the oil spill in the Gulf manages to destroy the fishing and tourist industries in that region, shut down oil drilling, raise the price of oil and of food all over the country, and bring more and more Americans to a financial breaking point and thus dependent on food stamps and other government programs, Obama and Co. will smile and nod at one another as the Cloward-Piven strategy hums merrily along. Anything that puts a greater strain on government services -- and the inability of those services, through incompetence and complex bureaucracy to actually improve things -- advances the goals of Cloward-Piven. The more desperate and demoralized the American people become, and the more preoccupied we are with simple survival, the better our new "leaders" like it, and the closer they get to assuming total and complete control of every aspect of our lives.
Read about the Cloward-Piven Strategy in greater detail in an American Thinker article from November 23, 2009, "Cloward-Piven Government" by James Simpson. Simpson explains that even the patently unconstitutional laws and policies implemented by the Obama regime are a deliberate part of the strategy, because in addition to using financial crises to bring about the desired changes in our way of life, it is necessary to render our Constitution impotent and irrelevant.
If you think the Gulf oil spill spells trouble for Obama, you're just not looking at as big a picture as he's looking at, and you just don't realize how much trouble we're all in.
And that strategy has a name: it is the Cloward-Piven Strategy. Named for the two Leftist sociology professors who formulated it, its purpose is to bring about the demise of capitalism by overloading the system, largely by making more people desperate and dependent on the government.
Thus, Cloward-Piven's goals are served by more and more aliens flooding across the border and filling jails, emergency rooms and welfare rolls. It is also served by the mortgage crisis; in fact, Professors Cloward and Piven were the creators of ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now), which helped pressure banks to implement the lending policies that precipitated that crisis. But Cloward-Piven seeks a financial crisis far wider-ranging and more encompassing than a mere mortgage meltdown.
So if the oil spill in the Gulf manages to destroy the fishing and tourist industries in that region, shut down oil drilling, raise the price of oil and of food all over the country, and bring more and more Americans to a financial breaking point and thus dependent on food stamps and other government programs, Obama and Co. will smile and nod at one another as the Cloward-Piven strategy hums merrily along. Anything that puts a greater strain on government services -- and the inability of those services, through incompetence and complex bureaucracy to actually improve things -- advances the goals of Cloward-Piven. The more desperate and demoralized the American people become, and the more preoccupied we are with simple survival, the better our new "leaders" like it, and the closer they get to assuming total and complete control of every aspect of our lives.
Read about the Cloward-Piven Strategy in greater detail in an American Thinker article from November 23, 2009, "Cloward-Piven Government" by James Simpson. Simpson explains that even the patently unconstitutional laws and policies implemented by the Obama regime are a deliberate part of the strategy, because in addition to using financial crises to bring about the desired changes in our way of life, it is necessary to render our Constitution impotent and irrelevant.
If you think the Gulf oil spill spells trouble for Obama, you're just not looking at as big a picture as he's looking at, and you just don't realize how much trouble we're all in.
Posted on 7/6/10 at 5:43 pm to charlied
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charlied
And you know this is Obama's strategy how? You do not. Just like the leftist nutcases did not have any basis for the attacks on Dubbya.
Never ascribe to nefarious intent that which can be explained by incompetence. You need more experience in big business and government. They are very similar.
Posted on 7/6/10 at 6:52 pm to MoreOrLes
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Bush was slow to react to Katrina
Blanco gets a pass here?
Bush tried Obama lied.
Posted on 7/6/10 at 7:08 pm to ashy larry
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This is on par with the libs that said Bush was slow to Katrina b/c he doesn't care about black people.
To be fair, Kanye West and a few crackheads that got on tv were the only folks I really ever heard say this.
Posted on 7/6/10 at 7:16 pm to Bayou
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Blanco gets a pass here?
We could blame people all day long, but I thought this was about Bush/Obama.
My thoughts are that they are both equal screw ups as just about anyone who heads up this joke of a federal gov. would be when trying to make a decision and take action an expedited manner. You have a system in place that is made up of robot workers who push paper and worry about protecting their rice bowl. They get trained to be a gov. worker and the real world ceases to exist.
Posted on 7/6/10 at 8:01 pm to notiger1997
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We could blame people all day long, but I thought this was about Bush/Obama.
How does one ignore Blanco when speaking of Bush regarding Katrina? The Fed can't act without the Governor's say so. You could say that the action Bush DID take was illegal because it was without her permission.
Tying this with Obama one needs only look at the intent of each man. That one's a no brainer.
Posted on 7/6/10 at 8:13 pm to Bayou
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Bayou
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one needs only look at the intent of each man.
I have done my best to divine the intent of each side........my only conclusion is that each side would do whatever it takes to acheive and retain power.
Posted on 7/6/10 at 8:14 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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have done my best to divine the intent of each side........
Certainly without political skew, right?
Posted on 7/6/10 at 8:46 pm to Bayou
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The Fed can't act without the Governor's say so
The feds can do anything they want to in an emergency like this. They were all playing stupid political games though.
Blanco was an idiot.
Nagin was an idiot.
People who could leave, but didn't were idiots.
The biggest idiot to me was head of FEMA Micheal Brown, who of course was Bush's right hand man during Katrina.
It really does not matter if it is an R or D. They are both so stuck on playing the party line, that nothing worth a shite seems to get done.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 12:04 am to notiger1997
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To be fair, Kanye West and a few crackheads that got on tv were the only folks I really ever heard say this.
As we all know many folks hurt by Katrina were bused over to Houston. I did some volunteer work at the Astrodome and some churches helping feed victims. Almost all of them were black and it amazed me how many people told me that George W. hated them because they were black and wanted them to die. One man went as far as to tell me that Ray Nagin told people Bush wanted to kill them. Another group of gentleman claimed to have a friend in New Orleans PD who told them the day before the storm hit that Bush was going to blow up the levees with the goal of wiping out the population.
It was a sad state to say the least, I realize they had been through a lot but this stuff was just silly.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 12:57 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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It's anyone's guess as to how they would have responded differently.
I find it hard to believe Bush would have set down a moratorium like odummy.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 1:31 am to TJG210
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Obama intensionally did not act so that he could use it to push his agenda OR Obama is simply inept and over his head in the job as POTUS.
My sentiments exactly!
Charlied, you are right on. I wish more people could see the truth behind Obama. It is not like it is hidden.
Posted on 7/7/10 at 6:13 am to notiger1997
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The feds can do anything they want to in an emergency like this.
False - not legally. They were on the phone urging Blanco to request them prior to Katrina making landfall. Blanco played politics not allowing Bush to do his job.
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