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interesting take on hot tube time machine.... SPOILERS

Posted on 7/1/10 at 8:21 pm
Posted by Tigermite
Member since Nov 2004
903 posts
Posted on 7/1/10 at 8:21 pm
did a search and didn't see this. makes sense if you feel like reading it all.

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WARNING: MASSIVE SPOILERS * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * the entire 80's sequence is going on in Lou's head as he commits suicide in the garage. this is why the main part of the movie seems to be such a disjointed mess of 80's cultural elements, elements which have been picked apart elsewhere in these forums and decried as historical errors.

in one of these forum threads the question is asked "Who found Lou after he tried to commit suicide and brought him to the hospital?" this question is the first key to understanding the movie. in fact, Lou was NOT found. the entire movie after the suicide scene was his fantasy world he imagined to himself as he listened to that Motley Crue song in his car and gunned the engine. he was loaded on an energy drink we see him holding and the vodka he is sucking down. frustrated by the turn his life has taken and by his friends' abandonment of him, he has worked himself into a frenzied state in which he imagines his friends uniting at the hospital and then their returning to the resort where he had his best memories with them. Etc.

we know this because in the end as the credits roll he has imagined himself into an actual Motley Crue video, the video of the same song he was singing as he killed himself. he obviously loves that song and has seen the video a million times and uses it as a refuge from his disappointing present-day life. the song takes him back in his mind to what he sees as the one time in his life when everything was great.

before dismissing this theory about the film's true intent, first try assuming that there is more to the movie than first meets the eye and consider these points:

even if the time machine existed and he could make himself rich by prior knowledge of modern advances he still would not be able to infiltrate a legendary rock band and take the lead singer's place. this was fantasy.

things in Lou's version of the 80's are not necessarily how they really were, but how Lou is remembering them. therefore the "errors" are deliberate. the most flagrant thing is the very Motley Crue song, Home Sweet Home, which acts as Lou's theme song. that song came out before 1986, the time period of the events of the ski resort. Motley Crue was already huge. it was clearly too late to become the band's lead singer, no matter what special privileges traveling back from 2010 might give you.

on the one hand, you could conclude that the movie is stupid because everyone knows that Home Sweet Home was already out at that time. but on the other hand you could assume the writer of the movie is actually trying to tell us something else - the whole thing is going on in Lou's head as he checks out from the world.

with this in mind, if you re-watch the initial hospital scene after he was supposedly found and brought in the dialogue makes more sense.

for example, when Nick and Adam meet up at the hospital they obviously are not at ease with each other and unfamiliar. it has been a long time, and they also are ill at ease with the idea of having to deal with Lou. then 3 minutes later at Lou's bedside they gleefully announce that they have hatched a plan to take Lou to the K Valley ski resort to relive their former glory days. really? they can barely relax being in the same room together. when did they decide all that?

this and similar details only make sense if Lou is imagining it all. the movie begins with him committing suicide while drunkenly singing Home Sweet Home, a cherished moment from his past. then after a completely surreal sequence of events from back in the 80's, the only time Lou was ever happy in life, the movie ends with the same song, but now he has actually BECOME the lead singer of Motley Crue and has been inserted into the MTV video of that song playing in his head as he belts out each line of the lyrics at the top of his lungs. the makers of the film are trying to tell us something. Lou was always the wild one of the bunch, and now in his frustration he has really gone all the way. he has receded into his mind to a place of no return. at the end of that video as the credits roll Lou looks straight into the camera, flips us the bird and then the image freezes on his final sly grin. Lou is gone.
Posted by Afreaux
Conway Bayou
Member since Aug 2007
47019 posts
Posted on 7/1/10 at 8:41 pm to
I read what you posted, but I'm honestly not buying it.

It's your typical gross-out comedy, the whole point is that it requires as little use of logic or profound contemplation as humanly possible. It reminds me of the millions of theories floated around about the final episode of Sopranos, only for David Chase himself to say that people were thinking into every little aspect a bit too much.

I mean, it's genuinely fun to play "what if" or "what do you think happens to" for any movie. But in this case, I personally think that someone is dissecting a simple comedy a bit too much.
Posted by Lacour
Member since Nov 2009
32949 posts
Posted on 7/1/10 at 8:55 pm to
Don't try to ruin one of my favorite comedies with this crap. HTTM isn't deep.

It's perfect the way it is. Glorious in its stupidity and raunchiness.
Posted by makinskrilla
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jun 2009
9727 posts
Posted on 7/1/10 at 9:02 pm to
interesting post man.

i definitely buy into the idea of unconscious messages being sent by media into the masses, and this is an interesting argument. its a stupid comedy about reckless youth behavior that continues well into adulthood, the protagonist never achieves emotional maturity and cant cope with life which leads him to suicide.

very interesting post and I am inclined to agree with this theory.
Posted by Tigermite
Member since Nov 2004
903 posts
Posted on 7/1/10 at 9:09 pm to
i think its an interesting and cool view but im not buying it either. i just took it for what it was. a brainless comedy.

besides, its too depressing to imagine lou really being dead.
Posted by Afreaux
Conway Bayou
Member since Aug 2007
47019 posts
Posted on 7/1/10 at 9:16 pm to
This is like arguing that everything that happens in "The Hangover" after the rooftop scene is just a drug-induced hallucination

Save the theories for Blade Runner or Total Recall.
Posted by emoney
Westerville, OH
Member since May 2010
8642 posts
Posted on 7/1/10 at 9:17 pm to
quote:

interesting take on hot tube time machine..


It just sounds like someone has watched too much LOST.
Posted by A Devil Inside
Member since May 2010
177 posts
Posted on 7/2/10 at 7:44 am to
HTTM is just raunchy and crude...the way I like all my comedies

I do not think it was meant to be taken that seriously...
Posted by SpqrTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2004
9255 posts
Posted on 7/2/10 at 12:34 pm to
I dunno... I can buy it. The choice is whether I WANT to buy it.

Filmmakers and writers do shite like this in movies to add hidden layers to stories.

I think it's there as a viable option if you want to accept it.

But I'm not going to... and I'll tell you why... the movie itself is too plot-driven in other areas for Lou to have generated it out of his own fantasy. Why would he bother, for instance, to have a fantasy about Chevy Chase, the hot tub repairman, or about John Cusack's music journalist love interest, or the one-armed bellhop?

To me, the inconsistencies in 80's history/culture have more to do with satisfying the retro-craze of the modern audience viewing the 80's as one big smear of neon and crimped hair. They don't know the 80's well enough to know that "Home Sweet Home" was recorded prior to 1986 or that "The Drive" occured in 1987. It doesn't matter to them.

The audience just thinks, "80's WOOOhoooOO!!" so, the director gives them a big ol' chunk of 80's. Not necessarily 1986.

Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
Member since Aug 2006
36449 posts
Posted on 7/2/10 at 12:39 pm to
quote:

The Drive" occured in 1987.


new theory. lou is actually a flaming homosexual which is why in his suicide fantasy, he loses the bet about the game. he wants to suck the black guy's dick and sees this as the only way he'd have a chance.
Posted by lsufanintexas
Member since Sep 2006
5010 posts
Posted on 7/2/10 at 1:59 pm to
You know I thought the same thing about Lou. I think he was a closet homosexual.

I even told my wife while watching the movie last night. Lou said a few things and also put himself in situations that were pretty gay.
Posted by SoonerBorn
The right man in the wrong place
Member since Nov 2005
4674 posts
Posted on 7/2/10 at 2:15 pm to
This is your brain on LOST.
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
10156 posts
Posted on 7/2/10 at 3:09 pm to
did anyone else notice that the kid was 20 years old in 2010... but he was conceived in 1986? again maybe just reading to much into it.
Posted by Archie Bengal Bunker
Member since Jun 2008
15520 posts
Posted on 7/3/10 at 10:43 am to
A couple of thoughts:


This theory is completely plausible, and it actually makes the most sense to me. While watching the movie, I was hoping the wouldn't deus ex machina the whole trip. I'm glad the went for the gusto.

Whether or not the writers intended it this way, it sure as hell looks like it could be taken this way. I doubt it was a complete accident.

As far as the 80's discrepancies proving this theory, I don't believe that to be the case. They went back in time for Pete's sake! This could have possible sent them to an alternate universe, where all of the 80's errors could easily be explained away. There is no guarantee they ended up in the exact same 1986, if the film uses a multi-verse approach. If you can suspend your disbelief to allow time travel, might as well let the multi-verse theory in as well.


Quick question(s), why did Lou get his arse kicked again, if it was his fantasy? Why all the crap and interactions with Cusack, the boy, and Cusack's girlfriend, if it was Lou's fantasy?


Yes, Lou was at least bi, which is ghey in my book. He totally wanted to suck a dick.



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