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Alaskan Oil Royalties

Posted on 5/4/10 at 2:45 pm
Posted by Tiger Vision
Mandeville
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Posted on 5/4/10 at 2:45 pm
All citizens of the State of Alaska get a royalty check up to $3200 each year for royalties on oil pumped out of the state of Alaska. Why don't Louisianians receive such royalties for putting our livelihoods and our environment through such a risk.

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Posted by chinesebandits58
Section 642 Row 33 Seats 5 & 6
Member since Feb 2007
2839 posts
Posted on 5/4/10 at 2:46 pm to
Didn't Edwards screw that up for us?
Posted by ItTakesAThief
Scottsdale, Arizona
Member since Dec 2009
9189 posts
Posted on 5/4/10 at 2:51 pm to

Because Alaska doesn't have a very large population.

During the cold war the government took steps to encourage people to move to Alaska.

This is probably a relic of trying to encourage people to live there.
Posted by Tiger Vision
Mandeville
Member since Jan 2005
3703 posts
Posted on 5/4/10 at 2:57 pm to
I think it has to do with our corrupt political history. These oil companies have cut canals and pipelines through our marsh which have let salt water move in more easily and it's killing our coastline and now this oil spill just tops it off and the people of Louisiana aren't getting crap out of it but some jobs. Being that we have such an abundance of natural resources it sucks that we are continually one of the poorest states.
This post was edited on 5/4/10 at 2:58 pm
Posted by Lloyd Christmas
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2005
4283 posts
Posted on 5/4/10 at 2:58 pm to
Because the feds own most of LA's oil
Posted by o0 ecdysis 0o
This sentence is false.
Member since Nov 2005
1104 posts
Posted on 5/4/10 at 2:58 pm to
Alaska drilling and production = in state waters/on state land

Gulf of Mexico waters = now mostly federal waters
Posted by el tigre
your heart
Member since Sep 2003
49712 posts
Posted on 5/4/10 at 2:59 pm to
b/c we have had decades of ineffective and greedy local politicians.

Posted by Tiger Vision
Mandeville
Member since Jan 2005
3703 posts
Posted on 5/4/10 at 3:01 pm to
damn feds... they must be putting that money to good use in case the good people of Louisiana ever have natural disaster and need help... Oh, wait!!!
Posted by Tiger Vision
Mandeville
Member since Jan 2005
3703 posts
Posted on 5/4/10 at 3:02 pm to
quote:

Gulf of Mexico waters = now mostly federal waters


The pipelines run through Louisiana. I say tax the hell out of them.
Posted by Tiger Vision
Mandeville
Member since Jan 2005
3703 posts
Posted on 5/4/10 at 3:03 pm to
quote:

b/c we have had decades of ineffective and greedy local politicians.


I believe this is the real truth.
Posted by o0 ecdysis 0o
This sentence is false.
Member since Nov 2005
1104 posts
Posted on 5/4/10 at 3:05 pm to
quote:

The pipelines run through Louisiana. I say tax the hell out of them.


they do.

pipelines =\= exploration and production.
Posted by OldIowaTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2006
7313 posts
Posted on 5/4/10 at 3:17 pm to
quote:

b/c we have had decades of ineffective and greedy local politicians.


Winner.

Realistically, Louisiana is one of the richest "natural resource" states in the Union I believe. When I say that I mean oil, natural gas, fishing, shrimping, etc.

There's no reason that more money shouldn't stay in the state than actually remains here or stays in the hands of those in power. Huey had some intriguing ideas about some of that sorta thing.
Posted by ItTakesAThief
Scottsdale, Arizona
Member since Dec 2009
9189 posts
Posted on 5/4/10 at 3:20 pm to

I think that it was Leander Perez who was involved in these negotiations and turned down a really nice offer and demanded more.

Gov't walked away from talks. Federal Government passed some legislation and secured the rights to drill, came down and drilled and offered Louisiana peanuts compared to the deal they had originally offered Louisiana
Posted by tgrgrd00
Kenner, LA
Member since Jun 2004
8466 posts
Posted on 5/4/10 at 3:22 pm to
quote:


Gulf of Mexico waters = now mostly federal waters


This is a bullshite excuse!

New Mexico receives 50% of Oil and Gas revenues on FEDERAL lands.

Why do the gulf states not receive 50% of revenues in FEDERAL waters?

So much for that "All being equal thing".



Posted by Alatgr
Mobeezy, Alabizzle
Member since Sep 2005
17660 posts
Posted on 5/4/10 at 3:23 pm to
Alaska
Population Total 698,473 (2009 est.)


Louisian
Population - Total 4,410,796 (2008 est.)


Posted by Hermit Crab
Under the Sea
Member since Nov 2008
7162 posts
Posted on 5/4/10 at 3:24 pm to
alaska doesn't have a giant budget shortfall. they don't have to keep up with as many roads and pay for as many people's hospital bills
Posted by OldIowaTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2006
7313 posts
Posted on 5/4/10 at 3:27 pm to
Instead of comparing populations (which is valid), how does overal oil revenue relate?
Posted by ItTakesAThief
Scottsdale, Arizona
Member since Dec 2009
9189 posts
Posted on 5/4/10 at 3:28 pm to
quote:

While he was lieutenant governor, a part-time position, which permitted him to practice law as well, Dodd directed Louisiana Civil Defense, and he represented the state before the Tidelands settlement commission.

Dodd and then Louisiana Attorney General Bolivar Edwards Kemp, Jr., who served from 1948–1952, maintained that Louisiana seriously erred when it rejected a compromise tidelands offer from the Truman administration. Had Governor Long agreed to the deal, the state would have gained billions of additional dollars in state revenues over the coming decades, Dodd said. Long rejected the compromise on advice from Judge Leander Perez of Plaquemines Parish, who maintained that Louisiana could win a much better settlement before the U.S. Supreme Court. As it turned out, Dodd's assessment was correct, and the Supreme Court rebuffed Louisiana's attempt to get a greater share of the offshore revenues. Dodd maintained that Louisiana government would have been the best funded in the nation had Long accepted Truman's offer.
Posted by o0 ecdysis 0o
This sentence is false.
Member since Nov 2005
1104 posts
Posted on 5/4/10 at 3:33 pm to
quote:

New Mexico receives 50% of Oil and Gas revenues on FEDERAL lands.

Why do the gulf states not receive 50% of revenues in FEDERAL waters?

So much for that "All being equal thing".


There's a clear difference between 'federal lands', which are clearly bound by state lines, and federal waters.

I'm not saying I agree one way or another, but that's how it works. The work in the Garden Banks area is as much Louisiana as it's Texas, who should receive royalties for that production? With land issues, it's more cut and dry.

I hope people realize that these platforms are literally considered islands from a legal standpoint.
This post was edited on 5/4/10 at 3:34 pm
Posted by tgrgrd00
Kenner, LA
Member since Jun 2004
8466 posts
Posted on 5/4/10 at 3:37 pm to
quote:

how does overal oil revenue relate?


Some of the most skewed numbers you will ever see. Completely irrelevant.

"Louisiana" doesn't contribute as much revenue because oil from "Louisiana" is only considered within 3 miles of the coast of Louisiana.

Now if you extend that line out to say 50 or 100 miles Louisiana oil/gas revenues to the US treasury would have to be number 1. But we won't know because it is all just considered Federal Outer Continental Shelf revenues. (At least that I can tell, if someone has been able to find the numbers for revenues greater than 3 miles off the LA coast specifically PLEASE fill me in because I have been looking for years.)

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