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Whose at fault for a loss, Coach's or Player's? Think hard on this

Posted on 4/5/10 at 8:56 am
Posted by CaseyMc2
Louisiana Native
Member since Feb 2009
4092 posts
Posted on 4/5/10 at 8:56 am
Coaches can call a play and the players not run it right, they lose.
Players run the play called right, but it is the wrong play, they lose.
Players run the play wrong with it being the wrong play, they lose.
Miss read of the defense by the offense, they lose.
Coaches and players miss-manage the clock, they lose.
Coaches call a play and the player change the play called to the wrong play, they lose.
Coaches make a call and the players do not change the play called after reading the defense, they lose.
The Coaches do not call a timeout to help the players make the right call, they lose.

Did I miss any? If so you get the picture. Sometimes it comes down to the other team making the right adjustments and no matter how good or bad a team is any team can beat any team on any given day. This is why you can not make justments on one individual for a lose because there are too many variables that can come into play to cause a team to win or lose. You take the record as a whole to evaluate a Coach or a team on their performance. There are teams no matter how good or how bad they are a Coach just does not have any luck at all against them. No matter how hard they try and how good they are they just can not beat a given team and that is the way it is. You can look out across history of College football and see these things.

But, still we want to sit in our houses or in the bleachers and say, if we only had a better Coach or if we only had a better QB, or better yet a better intire team we would have won this or that game. It is because of all this kind of thinking fan bases have different opinions on Coaches or certain players on why a given team wins or loses and sometimes it just comes down to the other team just happens to be better or worse whatever the surcomstance maybe.

I would like to win every game every year but it just does not happen. Over time the loses catches up with the wins even though there might be more wins than loses or more loses than wins. Then that is the time to make or not make a change.

If you look at Les Miles record as a whole you will see that He is the winningst Coach LSU has ever had and if you decide to do away with him there is no other Coach in all of College football going to come in here and take his place. No one is perfect, no one is going to win every game.

Think back when Nick Saban came to LSU what took place. I will even put Gerry Dinardo in this also. They won certain games at the right time and everyone was proclaiming them as the savior to our program, but what happened to both them. One of them eventually did not win enough to stay and the other won too many and had to leave.

This is what happens when you do not search for the best overall fit for our program and this is why I believe we have the one that can be here until he retires. I remember Charlie Mac and how everyone wanted him gone after 1974 and the year of the vear with Carl Ottis Tremble at QB. He was here 18 years and retired after 1978 season and he never did what Les Miles has done since he has been here and that is win an NC.

In other words quit your bitchin' and enjoy the ride while it lasts it may never come back this way again.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
60314 posts
Posted on 4/5/10 at 8:58 am to
quote:

Whose at fault for a loss, Coach's or Player's?


Amateur - Coach as they're the only professionals
Pro - Either can be
Posted by therocketscientist
too far away from Tiger Stadium
Member since Mar 2007
5010 posts
Posted on 4/5/10 at 9:00 am to
both, of fricken course !
Posted by lsutigerbrian
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
2630 posts
Posted on 4/5/10 at 9:03 am to
Get a job
Posted by Prodigal Tiger
Upper West Side, New York City
Member since Aug 2005
1882 posts
Posted on 4/5/10 at 9:04 am to
quote:

Whose at fault


Who's at fault
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22378 posts
Posted on 4/5/10 at 9:18 am to
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Amateur - Coach as they're the only professionals


This is just silly. A coach can make all the "right" calls but if the players don't execute then it DOES NOT matter.
Posted by SteveLSU35
Shreveport
Member since Mar 2004
13968 posts
Posted on 4/5/10 at 9:25 am to
both, but coaches have to take the blame.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
60314 posts
Posted on 4/5/10 at 9:25 am to
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This is just silly. A coach can make all the "right" calls but if the players don't execute then it DOES NOT matter.


You really didn't catch the sarcasm there? Chicken, we really need this added:

Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22378 posts
Posted on 4/5/10 at 9:33 am to
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You really didn't catch the sarcasm there? Chicken, we really need this added:


Either my sarcasm meter is malfunctioning or that was a poor attempt on your part. I didn't read the OP whole post though so maybe that had something to do with it...
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
60314 posts
Posted on 4/5/10 at 9:36 am to
It was a play on the Rant's tendency to blame Miles no matter what.
Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
10177 posts
Posted on 4/5/10 at 10:05 am to
If miles is the coach it's his fault but if Saban is the coach it's the players.
Posted by MSTiger33
Member since Oct 2007
20384 posts
Posted on 4/5/10 at 10:11 am to
It depends
Posted by OFWHAP
Member since Sep 2007
5416 posts
Posted on 4/5/10 at 10:19 am to
Whose fault is it that the players can't execute the plays? It's the fault of the coaches. Whose fault is it that players use bad technique? The coaches are at fault there too. Players can and do mess up, but in the end it is the coaches who must take full responsibility.
Posted by TiegerTim
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2007
2971 posts
Posted on 4/5/10 at 11:24 am to
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Coaches can call a play and the players not run it right
put the players in that can/will run it right - coach's fault
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Players run the play called right, but it is the wrong play
bad play calling - coach's fault
quote:

Players run the play wrong with it being the wrong play
put players in that will run the called play right. bad play calling - coach's fault
quote:

Miss read of the defense by the offense
Even the best players fall to this on occasion, - player's fault *** unless the players continue to misread the defenses. then, play the players that can read the defense correctly - coach's fault
quote:

Coaches and players miss-manage the clock
It's hard for players to learn to manage the clock when their coach doesn't know how - coach's fault
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Coaches call a play and the player change the play called to the wrong play
again this happens to all players even the good ones. I happens less to the good ones. - players fault. *** If it happens coninually, play the players that can do it righ, or don't allow player to change the plays - coach's fault
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Coaches make a call and the players do not change the play called after reading the defense
same thing as a misread of the defense.. see above comment
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The Coaches do not call a timeout to help the players make the right call,
game management - coach's fault.

Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 4/5/10 at 11:31 am to
It's rarely an individuals fault. It's a team game too.. and I think we all include coaches in the the 'team'.

Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 4/5/10 at 11:34 am to
quote:

Whose at fault



Who's at fault
I thought Who's on first???
Posted by CaseyMc2
Louisiana Native
Member since Feb 2009
4092 posts
Posted on 4/7/10 at 7:53 am to
I am a Les Miles supporter because he Coaches at LSU and is our Coach until whenever. This was not intended to lay the blame on anyone just a retorical question because of all the negativity on this board concerning our Coaches and Players.

To me things happen and no matter how hard we try not to we end up blaming the Coaches in this game and the players in that game when to me it is a combination of both and also because there happens to be two teams on the field and that other team has something to do with it also.

If it is a team that is considered an underdog and we have a poor showing, or as in Nicky Boy losing to UL-Monroe 3 years ago while at Bama or while here a LSU to Miami of Ohio and the poor showing of Les Miles in the UL-Laffeyette game and the losses to Kentucky and Arky in '07. We as fans want to blame a either/or insted of a combination of the two depending on who you the fan consider cost us the wins or poor showing.

We forget that these are amatures and do make mistakes no matter how good they are or in some cases how poorly prepared they were. As here at LSU the fans tend to blame Coach Miles for all of it when in fact it has something to do with both teams mind-set and preparation. We as fans put abnormal pressures on these young kid's to perform at a high levels that almost any Pro team would love to have.

I chose not to lay blame solely on one aspect I happen to think that it is on both to carry out their ends of what needs to be done in order to be NC's for any given year. Watch the games, you do not see one team playing and making plays or the lack thereof you see two. All you need do is go back three or four years and ask Michigan and they will tell you that Appy St. was a well prepared team that took advantage of the opportunities that where given them or the lack of Michigan's.

That is what I call winning and both teams have the same oppertunity as the other. Ask Texas and Bama of this past year. Bama captalized on Texas' mistakes.

I am an LSU fan and I choose to enjoy the games and atmosphere of College Football and at LSU it can get no better than this and to think we have the priviledge of seeing our beloved Tigers play in the best Stadium also.

I say
Posted by cajunjj
Madison, AL
Member since May 2008
7427 posts
Posted on 4/7/10 at 9:07 am to
I am a true LSU fan, but u guy's have to admit, with our present situation LSU = average!
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20446 posts
Posted on 4/7/10 at 10:36 am to
You know, if it takes you 4-5 paragraphs to explain your case, people most likely aren't going to take you seriously because it looks like you're trying too hard to justify.
Posted by knockers
Austin
Member since Dec 2009
464 posts
Posted on 4/7/10 at 10:51 am to
In front of the fans and the media it will always be the coaches if ,like LM is ,a stand up guy. Behind the scenes, in the film room and on the field the blame will be recognized for what it is. Hopefully addressed accordingly.
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