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Pick Six - A Closer Look

Posted on 3/30/10 at 2:38 pm
Posted by TigerEggs
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Posted on 3/30/10 at 2:38 pm
Let me start by saying I am not a Lee or Jefferson supporter because I think it is way too early to make that judgement. What I would like to discuss is pick 6's because it is usually the first arguement when comparing the two quarterbacks.

First, what makes a quarterback likely to throw pick 6's? I know it sounds ignorant, but is it more a quality of the quarterback, or the presence of bad luck?
Another way to look at it... Are there 3 types of quarterbacks: One that does not throw interceptions, One that does, and One that throws pick 6's.
OR
Are there only two types: One that throws interceptions, and one that doesn't. The third category (pick 6's)a quarterback who throws interceptions but is UNLUCKY in the position of the defender, the defender himself(fast or slow), and other factors such as offense's willingness to pursue an interception.

The reason I raise this question is that I believe Lee's problems of throwing pick 6's can more easily be corrected than problems in mechanics, understanding the playbook, etc. If Lee is just a quaterback who throws interceptions but has had BAD LUCK in the past in that a good number of them were returned for touchdowns, then I think fans would be more willing to accept giving him another chance.

The bottom line is that if some of Lee's pick 6's could have been avoided by players tackling better after interceptions, etc. than he would look like a much better option. (please understand that I'm not trying to say that the interceptions were not his fault, but i'm saying maybe Lee's pick 6 problem isn't as bad as it sounds, and any quarterback who throws an interception has a chance to throw a pick 6's if there is a little bad luck or other factors involved.

Can someone with a deeper understanding please elaborate?
Posted by SouthernMan
Charlotte
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Posted on 3/30/10 at 2:40 pm to
Posted by yeanheard
Member since Jan 2009
5034 posts
Posted on 3/30/10 at 2:42 pm to
Yeah. If JLee is in at QB, then Craig Loston or PP7 should be playing 20 yards behind him...waiting
Posted by The Gooch
Houston, TX
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/30/10 at 2:44 pm to
Posted by magic320
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2009
208 posts
Posted on 3/30/10 at 2:49 pm to
let us just move on what happened last year and the year before that, b/c now it doesn't matter.

Posted by TigerEggs
NOLA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/30/10 at 2:50 pm to
Maybe I can clarify...

What, in particular, is it about Lee's interceptions that allows them to easily be returned for touchdowns?
If he had a shite ton of interceptions and a high number of pick 6's I could see how the luck of the draw would have a certain percentage of those returned for touchdowns.

But why is his interception to pick 6 ratio so much higher than other quarterback's?

Is it a problem with him, or badluck and other factors?
Posted by lsuhunt555
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 3/30/10 at 2:53 pm to
quote:

I believe Lee's problems of throwing pick 6's can more easily be corrected than problems in mechanics, understanding the playbook, etc.


Not sure if this is true, but I would say that not understanding the playbook could be easier to fix than no anticipation of defenders. Thats why the guy throws picks.

And for the record, im a "Lee Guy" so im not saying he is unsalvagable.
Posted by alajones
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Member since Oct 2005
34487 posts
Posted on 3/30/10 at 2:53 pm to
I think you need to seperate the interceptions.

There are those that are from being slightly inaccurate, which usually result not in a open line to the endzone for the defender.

There are those that are bad luck, tipped balls, receiver not looking, pass rusher hit QB's arm, and such that usually don't become a TD.

And there are the ones where the QB stares down the receiver and allows the defender to jump the hell out of the route and have a full head of steam heading to the endzone.

Which ones did JLee throw?

FTR, I think Lee is salvageable also.
This post was edited on 3/30/10 at 2:58 pm
Posted by yeanheard
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/30/10 at 2:54 pm to
quote:

Which ones did JLee throw?


all of the above
Posted by TigerEggs
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Member since Nov 2009
622 posts
Posted on 3/30/10 at 2:57 pm to
quote:

there are the ones where the QB stares down the receiver and allows the defender to jump the hell out of the route and have a full head of steam heading to the endzone


Very valid point. I was hoping to hear from someone who distinctly remembers alot off Lee's pick 6's, and if there were some that could have been avoided by better tackling or other issues.
Posted by SouthernMan
Charlotte
Member since Nov 2008
1380 posts
Posted on 3/30/10 at 2:57 pm to
quote:

And there are the ones where the QB stares down the receiver and allows the defender to jump the hell out of the route and have a full head of steam heading to the endzone. Which ones did JLee throw?


Door #3 unfortunately.

Nonetheless, I look forward to JL contributing over the next two years and helping us win a championship, whether he starts or not.
Posted by PillPusher
Gulf Coast
Member since Oct 2009
5711 posts
Posted on 3/30/10 at 2:58 pm to
I think 9 out of 10 times a return over 35 yards can't be blamed on the QB unless it was a short out rout jumped by the defender. Sure he threw an interception, but others also have a responsibility to at least attempt to tackle the defender.

Also, as someone mentioned, certain interceptions lend themselves to TDs. One where the defender is just standing there waiting on the ball (knowing he is about to intercept it becuase it was so poorly thrown) can more easily be returned than one he had to make a spectacular grab on.
Posted by Slinger16
Not Louisiana
Member since Jun 2007
21869 posts
Posted on 3/30/10 at 2:58 pm to
quote:

But why is his interception to pick 6 ratio so much higher than other quarterback's?


they are usually short passes that hit the defenders perfectly in stride. LB's will beat out O-linemen in a footrace everytime.
This post was edited on 3/30/10 at 2:59 pm
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
34487 posts
Posted on 3/30/10 at 2:59 pm to
The worst one was against Troy St. in the first half. It was hard to believe. Everyone in the whole stadium saw him staring down that receiver from inside our own red zone. And then he threw it. It was like watching a bad movie again.
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
34487 posts
Posted on 3/30/10 at 3:02 pm to
quote:

Very valid point. I was hoping to hear from someone who distinctly remembers alot off Lee's pick 6's, and if there were some that could have been avoided by better tackling or other issues.
I think the only one I remember being surprised buy the 6 after the pick was the Bama game. I think our Offense threw up their hands on that one. Maybe it was my imagination, someone please correct me if I am mis-remembering. But the one at Florida, the two UGA ones, MSU, those were just wide open for TDs.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 3/30/10 at 3:03 pm to
look man, go ask for a name change ASAP
Posted by TigerEggs
NOLA
Member since Nov 2009
622 posts
Posted on 3/30/10 at 3:08 pm to
14 touchdowns and 16 interceptions isn't that bad for a freshman quarterback in the SEC. Someone like Matt Stafford started out with 7 touchdowns 13 interceptions, and he became pretty efficient. Why didn't he have so many pick 6's? Every interception has to have some anticipation from the defender, whether the quarterback stares the reciever down or not.

Do you think some bad luck could be attributed to JL's pick 6's? and if you take a few of them away would people be more willing to accept him?
Posted by P bean
br
Member since Dec 2006
4059 posts
Posted on 3/30/10 at 3:09 pm to
lee's accuracy to the flats is terrible, and he over throws or underthrows these players.

he cant hit the screen or the dump pass. Additionally, he cant run, so when a play breaks down or he cant find someone, the dump pass is his last options.

Posted by yeanheard
Member since Jan 2009
5034 posts
Posted on 3/30/10 at 3:09 pm to
quote:

14 touchdowns and 16 interceptions isn't that bad for a freshman quarterback in the SEC


JJs first year and he has a 3:1 TD to int. ratio

quote:

and if you take a few of them away would people be more willing to accept him?


Alabama 2009
This post was edited on 3/30/10 at 3:10 pm
Posted by TigerEggs
NOLA
Member since Nov 2009
622 posts
Posted on 3/30/10 at 3:11 pm to
I guess if they were all wide open touchdowns that my point is invalid, but if there were a few lucky steps, missed tackles, etc. here and there...Bad luck could be what's seperating a Average freshman SEC year from a year that everyone thinks is the worst possible performance in recent memory
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