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If losing one player is derailling one side of the ball for
Posted on 12/12/09 at 10:56 am
Posted on 12/12/09 at 10:56 am
your team than you are not a powerhouse nor recruiting that well. Edited to make it clear here since many of you fail to read the rest of the post that I am talking about 2 years later not immediately.
I am tired of people claiming RP is the reason our offense has struggled. I am not talking about the team's record here. Obviously, going 9-3 this season is not the end of the world and was a success to many. It's obviously not the failure many make it out to be.
Last year was bad given the expectations and returning talent and the failure that was our defense.
My point, however, is that even with the loss of RP, our offense going to utter crap this year and having the horrible turnover issues the year before isn't on RP. It all goes back to two things: recruiting and position coaching. An ELITE program doesn't have these types of issues. PERIOD for 2 straight years.
That said, hopefully next year we'll see some improvement but RP is not an excuse for total ineptness on offense this season.
I am tired of people claiming RP is the reason our offense has struggled. I am not talking about the team's record here. Obviously, going 9-3 this season is not the end of the world and was a success to many. It's obviously not the failure many make it out to be.
Last year was bad given the expectations and returning talent and the failure that was our defense.
My point, however, is that even with the loss of RP, our offense going to utter crap this year and having the horrible turnover issues the year before isn't on RP. It all goes back to two things: recruiting and position coaching. An ELITE program doesn't have these types of issues. PERIOD for 2 straight years.
That said, hopefully next year we'll see some improvement but RP is not an excuse for total ineptness on offense this season.
This post was edited on 12/12/09 at 1:05 pm
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Posted on 12/12/09 at 10:58 am to LSUMafia
What quality quarterback is going to come to school if he has to sit behind Russell, Flynn, and Perilloux?
Posted on 12/12/09 at 10:58 am to LSUMafia
Signed,
Oklahoma
Oklahoma
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:00 am to swamptiger
Signed,
Southern Cal
Southern Cal
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:08 am to swamptiger
Yet Oklahoma beat a ranked team this season and their offense didn't seem to struggle with some average teams. They had two bad offensive games against Texas Texas and Texas Tech. OU's ranking = 28/120 in the country on offense.
USC still scored points against pretty much everyone and ended the season in the top half of the country in offensive ranking, and not 108/120.
Also, they did that starting a True Freshman the entire season with the exception of 1 game. USC's ranking = 58/120 on offense.
Also, you are all missing my point. There is no reason to have the struggles two years in a row on offense. We scored lots of points and got lots of yards in 2008, but turnovers killed us.
Talk to me when USC and OU suck on offense as bad next season as we did this season.
USC still scored points against pretty much everyone and ended the season in the top half of the country in offensive ranking, and not 108/120.
Also, they did that starting a True Freshman the entire season with the exception of 1 game. USC's ranking = 58/120 on offense.
Also, you are all missing my point. There is no reason to have the struggles two years in a row on offense. We scored lots of points and got lots of yards in 2008, but turnovers killed us.
Talk to me when USC and OU suck on offense as bad next season as we did this season.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:15 am to LSUMafia
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That said, hopefully next year we'll see some improvement but RP is not an excuse for total ineptness on offense this season.
No, of course he isn't the only reason and only factor to blame for bad play by the offense. But he was still supposed to be the starting QB this year, so yes his dismissal is a factor.
Next year is the first time in three years that we will be starting the QB we planned to start. No excuses next year.
But flat out denial that the RP effect hasn't been felt the past two years is nonsense.
This post was edited on 12/12/09 at 11:20 am
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:17 am to zaychik
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Southern Cal
The So Cal program took a hit this year, but I thought that Fr QB played pretty dang good for his age and seeing his 1st college action.
So Cal appears to be set at QB for a few yrs to come.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:20 am to Lonnie4LSU
Signed,
Michigan
Michigan
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:26 am to LSUMafia
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Yet Oklahoma beat a ranked team this season and their offense didn't seem to struggle with some average teams.
And what is their record ?
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USC still scored points against pretty much everyone and ended the season in the top half of the country in offensive ranking, and not 108/120.
And what is their record ?
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:27 am to Lonnie4LSU
"The So Cal program took a hit this year, but I thought that Fr QB played pretty dang good for his age and seeing his 1st college action. So Cal appears to be set at QB for a few yrs to come."
Good for his age? I bet the guy is older than Jefferson. He was there in the spring and Jefferson's numbers are probably better than his......and I agree.
Good for his age? I bet the guy is older than Jefferson. He was there in the spring and Jefferson's numbers are probably better than his......and I agree.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:28 am to EmperorGout
Did I say struggles? No. I said derailing entirely. We should not have had this putrid an offense this season. PERIOD. RP or not.
Struggles I expected, but to have the complete utter crap that our offensive performance was is totally ludicrous.
OU lost a heisman trophy winner for all but 2 games and still put up a top 28 defense. USC starterd a TRUE freshman the whole year and finished in the top half. Their defense sucked. Baylor lost its ONE legitimate offensive threat and still out performed us by over 20 spots.
Fact remains that RP's loss would have hurt us, that was never my point. The point was totally derailing our offense 2 years after the fact it is NOT an excuse, PERIOD! This is holds true given the fact people claim LSU is an elite program and Les is a master recruiter.
Struggles I expected, but to have the complete utter crap that our offensive performance was is totally ludicrous.
OU lost a heisman trophy winner for all but 2 games and still put up a top 28 defense. USC starterd a TRUE freshman the whole year and finished in the top half. Their defense sucked. Baylor lost its ONE legitimate offensive threat and still out performed us by over 20 spots.
Fact remains that RP's loss would have hurt us, that was never my point. The point was totally derailing our offense 2 years after the fact it is NOT an excuse, PERIOD! This is holds true given the fact people claim LSU is an elite program and Les is a master recruiter.
This post was edited on 12/12/09 at 11:29 am
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:28 am to LSUMafia
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Talk to me when USC and OU suck on offense as bad next season as we did this season.
USC sucked pretty damn hard this year. At least we only lost to teams that we were supposed to lose to.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:31 am to LSUMafia
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Yet Oklahoma beat a ranked team this season and their offense didn't seem to struggle with some average teams. They had two bad offensive games against Texas Texas and Texas Tech.
That's because those are the only two SEC style defenses they played in the Big12. Against an SEC schedule they would not have been ranked anywhere near 28th. Furthermore, had Tebow gone down the last week of fall camp to a season-ending injury, his backup is a good player but UF loses 3 or 4 games at least without Tim. Elite quarterbacks, and make no mistake RP is that, make more of a difference to an offensive scheme and the ultimate performance of said offense than any other player. Period.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:34 am to SG_Geaux
USC and OU aren't comparable
OU lost its entire OL
USC lost its entire D
it's a lot more than just QB play. their QB play hasn't been that bad
OU lost its entire OL
USC lost its entire D
it's a lot more than just QB play. their QB play hasn't been that bad
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:34 am to ironsides
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Signed,
Michigan
like with USC, D is the problem
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:36 am to SG_Geaux
Did you see USC's defense? All but one loss was on their defense, and Barkley didn't play against UW.
Their records are irrelevant. USC played a much tougher schedule than LSU overall. FACT. They beat tOSU at tOSU this year with Barkley starting.
OU struggled this season, but it was after losing their starting QB in the first game of the year. They lost 4 of their 5 games by 1, 1, 3, and 7 with only one blowout loss but didn't give up 50+ points once this season.
LSU got blown out by UF, UGA (at home), Ole Miss last year. 3 of their 5 losses were by blowout. IF OU has a season like that next year, then you can compare.
Again, Miles fixed the defense this season from the embarrassment it was a year ago. The jury is still out on if the damage he did to our DL by his Earl Lane bust of a hire will ever be corrected.
Their records are irrelevant. USC played a much tougher schedule than LSU overall. FACT. They beat tOSU at tOSU this year with Barkley starting.
OU struggled this season, but it was after losing their starting QB in the first game of the year. They lost 4 of their 5 games by 1, 1, 3, and 7 with only one blowout loss but didn't give up 50+ points once this season.
LSU got blown out by UF, UGA (at home), Ole Miss last year. 3 of their 5 losses were by blowout. IF OU has a season like that next year, then you can compare.
Again, Miles fixed the defense this season from the embarrassment it was a year ago. The jury is still out on if the damage he did to our DL by his Earl Lane bust of a hire will ever be corrected.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:38 am to LSUMafia
FAIL
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:39 am to SlowFlowPro
What ONE player did Michigan lose that made their offense putrid for 2 years? Their coach was the problem by forcing his system without the players. Big difference.
Slowflowpro, its not worth it with some of these guys. They'll claim that nothing compares to the SEC defenses, and 108th/120 is largely due to playing in the SEC. I am sure struggling to score more than 31 against ULL and 24 against La Tech are because they have tough SEC defenses.
Slowflowpro, its not worth it with some of these guys. They'll claim that nothing compares to the SEC defenses, and 108th/120 is largely due to playing in the SEC. I am sure struggling to score more than 31 against ULL and 24 against La Tech are because they have tough SEC defenses.
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:39 am to LSUMafia
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OU struggled this season, but it was after losing their starting QB in the first game of the year.
they weren't exactly awesome with him
Posted on 12/12/09 at 11:39 am to LSUMafia
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