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The Miles way: Secure victory, then sub

Posted on 10/29/09 at 5:45 am
Posted by Carl Dubois
Pacific Northwest
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 10/29/09 at 5:45 am
There's little to suggest Les Miles sees LSU's game Saturday against Tulane the way many do, as a glorified practice or scrimmage. That's not a term many coaches want associated with them, especially in the world of the virtual bulletin board.

Two years ago -- before LSU played Louisiana Tech, if memory serves -- a student reporter stumbled through a question that had the tone of assuming Miles viewed that matchup as such a game, a chance to empty the bench, and not necessarily as late as the fourth quarter.

Miles rejected the question with extreme prejudice, deflecting and dismissing it with a passion the guy sitting shotgun in the Sonic commercials -- who slaps away his friend's Tater Tot -- would have admired.



The reporter tried again, trying to do an end run with semantics, and Miles pounced again, candidly telling the young man he'd asked a bad question, then followed it with another bad one, essentially the same bad question disguised in cheap clothing.

Miles said, as he had many times before and as he would many times after, that you play for victory, and if victory is secured, then you think about getting some reserves from playing time. Where that line is, of course, is left up to the coach's discretion.

LSU defeated Louisiana Tech 58-10. Ryan Perrilloux replaced Matt Flynn at quarterback with 1:38 left in the third quarter and the Tigers leading 44-7.

There is a time-tested tradition of onlookers questioning a coach for leaving in his starters too long. How long is too long? That depends.

The general rule is, if a player gets hurt, then the coach should have taken him out one play sooner. Actual mileage can vary.

You know the rule about hindsight.

Miles' five seasons at LSU feature examples of him mildly substituting when others thought it should have happened en masse, and often the piece here and the piece there add up by the end of the game. It's not as striking as when a fresh 11 jogs onto the field as a group.

It's understandable Miles was a bit prickly about anything having to do with even the perception of calling off the dogs or easing up on the throttle during a game. On Nov. 6, 2004, his last Oklahoma State team lost 56-35 at Texas after having a 35-14 halftime lead.

It was 35-7 at one point.

Vince Young and Cedric Benson led a dazzling comeback. Texas scored touchdowns on six consecutive second-half drives. In the third quarter, the Longhorns outgained Oklahoma State 266 yards to minus-5.

Less than two months later, Les and Kathy Miles were taking a tour of Tiger Stadium as LSU convinced them to leave Stillwater for Baton Rouge.

At halftime of his first game in that same stadium, LSU led Tennessee 21-0 at halftime. Miles went into conservative mode with his second-half game plan on offense, and one thing led to another until the Vols left town with a 30-27 overtime victory.

Wounds like those leave scars.

While the periphery of the program is chatty with the substitution possibilities awaiting LSU in its Saturday matchup against Tulane, Miles is going about his business. Tucked fairly deep inside a long answer about quarterback Jordan Jefferson was a subtle but noticeable comment about the importance of playing time for a developing young player.

"There's no ability for a coach to take you beyond experience," Miles said, noting he would like to see how Jefferson plays once he's well into double-digit college starts.

Right now he's at nine.

"You need as many snaps as you can get," Miles said, and then, it helps him translate those plays in a game more effectively, especially for a guy that has the talent that he has."

Of course, every snap a starter gets comes at the expense of experience a backup could be getting, but Miles is the type to make a commitment to a player and stick with him. When he had the choice between JaMarcus Russell and Flynn, Miles said he'd start using two quarterbacks when college rules allowed teams to play with two footballs.

It's a sliding scale at times at other positions, and because Miles enjoys being deceptive with his game-week comments -- his best trickeration if often what he sees on Wednesdays about the upcoming Saturday -- no one outside the football operations facility is all that sure about what to expect when LSU plays Tulane.

Two years ago, a few weeks before that homecoming victory against Louisiana Tech, LSU went down to New Orleans to play the Green Wave in the Superdome. Tulane led 9-7 late in the first half.

The Tigers regained the lead, 10-9, just before halftime, and finished strong for a 34-9 victory. USC's unimpressive 27-24 victory against Washington that night opened the door for LSU's first No. 1 ranking in the AP poll since 1959.

I suspect you've heard a little about how that LSU team got to No. 1. What happened 50 years ago this weekend kept the Tigers at that spot for one more week. Saturday is the golden anniversary.

The AP voters didn't rank another LSU football team No. 1 until 2007, after the Tigers struggled for one half against Tulane.

That Green Wave team, featuring Matt Forte at running back, finished 4-8. The Tulane team that will visit Tiger Stadium this weekend is 2-5.

Don't expect Miles to pull his starters for good until LSU secures victory. Don't expect anyone but Miles to decide when that time has come.

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Carl Dubois
has written or blogged about LSU since 1999. During his first season in Baton Rouge, the Tigers celebrated the 40th anniversary of Billy Cannon's famous punt return against Ole Miss. It's hard for him to believe the 50th is this weekend. You can contact him at carl1061 'at' gmail.com.
Posted by jhamil25
baton rouge
Member since Nov 2007
2480 posts
Posted on 10/29/09 at 6:08 am to
Another gem Carl.
Posted by bulmoss
Member since Oct 2006
300 posts
Posted on 10/29/09 at 6:19 am to
I find myself longing for the mass subs that made the 4th quarter so interesting during the blowouts in the two era's before Miles came. I loved seeing next year's players getting their chance.

BUT

When you frame it in the context you did, with the Texas swing and Tennessee comeback and Jefferson having less than a season worth of starts, I can understand Les' reasoning more.

That being said, La Tech and Tulane aren't Texas and Tennessee. I was pleased that Lee was running the offense last week and not doing what Perriloux seemed to do in his first few mop-up games in just learning how to take a snap and hand off in a college game.

Good job, Carl.
Posted by ATL Tiger 3
Atlanta, GA (Cumming GA)
Member since Aug 2007
231 posts
Posted on 10/29/09 at 6:20 am to
nice read, Carl:) ...enjoyed the tater tot reference as well!
Posted by The Godfather
Surrounded by Assholes
Member since Mar 2005
41433 posts
Posted on 10/29/09 at 7:02 am to
you go strong to the mouth or you dont go at all!





Good read Carl

Posted by Ole Geauxt
KnowLa.
Member since Dec 2007
50880 posts
Posted on 10/29/09 at 7:29 am to
yep, that Tn. game does have a tendency to linger...
Posted by DaBeerz
Member since Sep 2004
16901 posts
Posted on 10/29/09 at 7:39 am to
I said this last game that Miles didn't put in Lee until the last minute...because he doesn't want a quarterback controversy. Since jefferson is his guy, he doesn't want Lee to look too good (if possible). I imagine when Lee comes in, he won't have many opportunities to run the same playbook that Jefferson is.
Posted by LSUDad
Still on the move
Member since May 2004
58671 posts
Posted on 10/29/09 at 8:30 am to
quote:

Carl Dubois has written or blogged about LSU since 1999. During his first season in Baton Rouge, the Tigers celebrated the 40th anniversary of Billy Cannon's famous punt return against Ole Miss. It's hard for him to believe the 50th is this weekend. You can contact him at carl1061 'at' gmail.com


FYI, at one time the guy from OM that punted the ball to Cannon, he was the Head Baseball coach at OM. Jake Gibbs.........

Nice writeup.......

Win the game, run clock, no one gets hurt.......
Posted by LSUnKaty
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2008
4341 posts
Posted on 10/29/09 at 8:36 am to
Carl, I'll read this post in a moment but first I wanted to ask if you would like to ammend your earlier comments about Tebow AND JEFFERSON re leadership and the media in light of TEBOW'S refusal to answer questions after the Miss St game (a win for Fl. By the way). You were quick to knock Jordan (a 19 year old player) for ONE occasion of such behavior, what say you now about Tebow or Jefferson?
Posted by Carl Dubois
Pacific Northwest
Member since Apr 2009
326 posts
Posted on 10/29/09 at 8:46 am to
In the article to which I think you're referring, I made no mention of Tebow, nor any connection between Tebow and Jefferson. So, no, there's nothing I wish to amend.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81604 posts
Posted on 10/29/09 at 9:26 am to
Great read.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
32453 posts
Posted on 10/29/09 at 9:33 am to
"Don't expect Miles to pull his starters for good until LSU secures victory. Don't expect anyone but Miles to decide when that time has come."

And yet the resident Rantards, no matter what the score or what the situation, will continue to second guess Miles and view the game from their perch as arm chair QB's, having the ability to use hindsight as 20/20 to make their shrill points.

If Miles substitutes too early, he will get called out for not running up the score. If he does it too late, he will be accused of playing "seniors over freshman". And god forbid, if someone gets hurt late, the Rantards will go ballistic saying that player should have never been in the game in the first place.
Posted by TigerBwoy
0.4 miles from Tiger Stadium
Member since Oct 2009
6345 posts
Posted on 10/29/09 at 12:06 pm to
Good work Carl. I for one, will not be nearly as impatient as some others this weekend when it comes time to sub. Our young players need live ball snaps, and this game presents that opportunity. Now, if the score mimics the good ole days of the Tulame rivalry and we are up 62-0, then maybe my patience will begin to fade.
Posted by LSUnKaty
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2008
4341 posts
Posted on 10/29/09 at 12:36 pm to
I reread the post. I stand corrected - on the reference and my typo (on my phone today so I'm a bit clumsly)

But do you think not showing for the media after his 2 pick-6 performance says anything about Tebows leadetship or willingness to "man up"?
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36105 posts
Posted on 10/29/09 at 1:42 pm to
I've never thought willingness to talk to media meant anything in particular about leadership on an athletic field.

Members of the media are inclined to think differently because athletes who don't talk to them make their job harder...

But that's a pretty ego-centric view and it overlooks that for the player or coach talking to the press can make their job harder too (I'm one of the ones who finds the BB of the Patriots news conferences funny in their own way)
Posted by Lugubrious
Member since Apr 2005
251 posts
Posted on 10/29/09 at 2:54 pm to
"Carl, I'll read this post in a moment but first I wanted to ask if you would like to ammend your earlier comments about Tebow AND JEFFERSON re leadership and the media in light of TEBOW'S refusal to answer questions after the Miss St game (a win for Fl. By the way). You were quick to knock Jordan (a 19 year old player) for ONE occasion of such behavior, what say you now about Tebow or Jefferson?"

WEAK

"In the article to which I think you're referring, I made no mention of Tebow, nor any connection between Tebow and Jefferson. So, no, there's nothing I wish to amend."

SIZZLE
Posted by stampman
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
4918 posts
Posted on 10/29/09 at 4:26 pm to
Good read as usual.....
I wonder though at what point do you worry about injuries to your starters against opponents such as Tulane? I would imagine LSU's reserves are in most cases better than Tulane's starters..so, if you leave JJ in once you are 2 or 3 scores in front, I would certainly become conservative with his running at least. Experience is necessary but a season ending injury can happen just as easily against Tulane than it could against Bama. It's a tough decision IMO.
Posted by Bengal55
Kingwood, TX
Member since Oct 2009
315 posts
Posted on 10/29/09 at 5:17 pm to
Why do you hate paragraphs so much?

Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26614 posts
Posted on 10/29/09 at 5:19 pm to
Keep starters in first 3 quarters then Lee can have the last quarter all to himself. Make sure Jefferson keeps fine tuning his passing abilities. I don't care what anybody else says. If we are up 31-0 at the half this still does not warrent to sit out players. I've seen many times this year where scores have been up to 50s and 60s but only 3-4 of those TDs came from the offense. Lets make sure everything is clicking on O side of ball before sending anyone out.
Posted by Genghis Khan
Mongolia
Member since Nov 2008
1649 posts
Posted on 10/29/09 at 7:06 pm to
The point spread is anywhere from 34 to 36 points. LSU has yet to score more than 31. I don't see the subs coming in.
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