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So what did you people REALLY expect this year? -Men's BBall

Posted on 1/7/09 at 4:14 am
Posted by LASPORTSBABE
Shreveport, La.
Member since Aug 2005
1941 posts
Posted on 1/7/09 at 4:14 am
Note: This is also for the hundreds of lurker's who may not know alot about the LSU Basketball program, and what has gone on around here in the past couple of years...

Now, for the rest of you TIGER Fan's...This is just a short list of why i think we lost to Utah and why we might struggle a bit for the next couple of years, in certain games....

This is what happens when Tyrus Thomas and Anthony Randolph leaves to go pro(if they both would have stayed here at LSU, they both would be playing this year) and when Greg Monroe doesn't want to stay in state and when TJ allows J'Mison Morgan to get out of his commitment(even though i understand TJ's reasonings behind it) and when Magnum Rolle transfer's, etc...and with Garrett Green redshirting, etc...which we could have used him this year, with him being 6ft 10 and 235...I am not saying that MR and GG are Superstar's, but i would take either of them right now over anyone on this entire message board!
Another words, this is what happens when we have a depleted team!...So what else did u people REALLY expect this year?

Just try to stay as positive as you can about this team. I am not trying to bad mouth Butch Pierre, he was a great Coach and some would argue an even better recruiter...However, Pierre didn't do much to stop these players from going pro and he even went as far to say in an interview about AR's departure to the pro's...By saying...''I told AR it would be his own fault if he stayed at LSU and did not go pro...During the recruiting process I told him that I could pick ‘em. He should have been a McDonald’s All-American and that’s been proven now. I also told him that if he stays at LSU for more than two years it’s his fault.''

...What kind of College Coach would lead or push his own player's into the pro's and away from the school he Coaches for? Does this sound professional and ethical to you as an LSU coach? Just a little something for you Tiger fan's and the rest of the board to ponder over...

No wonder a few of our LSU players left early for the pro's or transfered or quit during BP's tenure, it sure didn't seem like BP was doing everything in his power to keep them here, even though he did everything he could to get them here, and i am sure JB has his fair share in this demise as well...This makes some people believe that BP's Coaching may have been in vain, and makes some people wonder if he did it for his own fame and his own notorioty... Here is the link to the interview.... LINK

I am sure TJ can get this thing turned around, IF he can get these players to commit to coming here and STAYING here at LSU. You can't have a successful program when player's are leaving every year to go pro, or transferring, or redshirting, and expect TJ to work miracles with the depleted team that has been left for him. He may have a chance now that BP isn't here helping push them all towards the NBA...We are 12-2, not bad so far, for a new Head Coach at a new school, and in a different conference, mind you...and for those who cannot think positive about LSU Basketball, remember baseball is coming up soon, then after baseball, comes FOOTBALL!

This post was edited on 1/7/09 at 1:34 pm
Posted by MrSavage
Member since Jan 2008
776 posts
Posted on 1/7/09 at 4:28 am to
Good post. If anyone expects LSU basketball to be up to par, or even remotely close to be on the same level as the football or baseball programs, then you're just plain foolish. The team is going to get better and is going to have a growing pains and be flat out beat. But I'm optimistic that Trent is the right guy to put us to be a contender and a force in the SEC, and eventually the country.
Posted by JohnLSU
Death Valley, LA
Member since Aug 2007
7913 posts
Posted on 1/7/09 at 4:31 am to
I agree
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 1/7/09 at 4:38 am to
I've been nothing but impressed with TJ so far...
Posted by LSUJuice
Back in Houston
Member since Apr 2004
17670 posts
Posted on 1/7/09 at 4:40 am to
The SEC West is not that good, and there's no reason this team shouldn't be able to compete in this conference this year.
Posted by TexasTiger6777
Surrounded by Longhorns and Aggies
Member since Jan 2008
3079 posts
Posted on 1/7/09 at 6:04 am to
Arkansas looks very good.
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
68313 posts
Posted on 1/7/09 at 6:36 am to
quote:

The SEC West is not that good, and there's no reason this team shouldn't be able to compete in this conference this year.





I agree. If we can go 10-6 in the sec (i think we can) that would be more than we could ask for.
Posted by roygu
Member since Jan 2004
11718 posts
Posted on 1/7/09 at 6:40 am to
From reading The Rant I expected that firing Brady was the ticket for the final four. I expected the PMAC to be overflowing with cheering happy LSU fans jockying for tickets to the SEC Tournament.
Posted by otowntiger
O-Town
Member since Jan 2004
15650 posts
Posted on 1/7/09 at 7:34 am to
quote:

So what did you people REALLY expect this year? -Men's BBall
Without reading your really long post, I will answer your main question: I see this team being better than last year's team, but not much. We may end up the season with a winning record (only slightly above .500) but no better than an even record in SEC play. We don't have the horses, plain and simple. From all accounts Johnson is a better coach overall than Brady, so there should be some improvement. I concerned for his ability to recruit. Brady and his guys seemed to do a good job of that, but just couldn't do anything with the talent. I hope that Johnson is not his opposite.
Posted by Meursault
Nashville
Member since Sep 2003
25172 posts
Posted on 1/7/09 at 7:38 am to
Yeah I'm not reading all that this early in the morning.

All I expect is competitive basketball. I will be ecstatic if we get into the tourney.

Posted by ROUSTER
Member since Sep 2003
6884 posts
Posted on 1/7/09 at 9:19 am to
As for the team, this year's team will have a chance to make the tournament. What they do then will depend on how the right players perform at the right time.
Right now we have 3 solid options for points, MT, TM, and BS. That's a decent start.
GT is an excellent defender who can chip in some points as well.
The problem we have is that CJ is having a very difficult time down low, even more so than many thought. I think most thought he'd struggle on D, but would make up for it with some O. That hasn't happened to this point. Let's hope it does.
Off the bench, you basically have zilch at this point. The Freshmen(SW, DG, and CB) are still learning and should continue to improve and help out more as the season progresses. This team will need that. Outside of that our biggest contributor has been QT simply because of his size. But, he's still an undersized C with little to no offense.
T.Martin and Farrer should be coming off the bench for Southern, not LSU.


Posted by b rod lsu
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
4881 posts
Posted on 1/7/09 at 9:35 am to
quote:

So what did you people REALLY expect this year? -Men's BBall


Good post. To be short and concise with it, here were some of my expectations....


3 big non conference games - TAMU, Utah, Xavier - I was hoping we would not get shut out. I wrote off Utah early, but hoping we could split or take both of the other two.

Go undefeated in all other non-conference games - check

Recruit or Develop a point guard - Spencer has improved greatly, and Bass looks good in short bursts off the bench.

Conference Play .500 or above - We were 6-10 last season in conference and finished strong for the reg season. If we could finish with a 2 game improvement when the only significant roster change is replacing Randolph with Tasmin than I think we're showing improvement.


Posted by Bad Cat
Painted Post, NY
Member since Jan 2004
12091 posts
Posted on 1/7/09 at 10:04 am to
I expect our new coach will struggle to rebuild a program that has been attacked and hounded by its fan base for the past 5 years.

LSU is football first, baseball second, and coach hating third. Basketball comes in at #4 with very few fans in the seats at the PMAC.
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43456 posts
Posted on 1/7/09 at 10:12 am to
This team will be fine. By fine I don't mean Sweet 16, but will rebuild and hopefully land a few big guys for the coming years. This team will not be a bottom dweller. They will attempt to take the West crown and will be very fun to watch in some good SEC games. They will have times where they look like a top 10 team and times when they look like a bottom 10 team. Last night was bottom ten but look for them to change that this weekend vs. Bama.
Posted by wizziko
New Jersey Nets Fan
Member since Jan 2006
35881 posts
Posted on 1/7/09 at 10:13 am to
Honestly I was surprised at the preseason predictions of us making the tourney. We were pretty much the same team from last year and still without anyone in the post. The they were hyping up CJ and I was hoping he would finally step up but he has not played well. He is the key to our success though.
Posted by b rod lsu
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
4881 posts
Posted on 1/7/09 at 10:18 am to
quote:

Honestly I was surprised at the preseason predictions of us making the tourney. We were pretty much the same team from last year and still without anyone in the post. The they were hyping up CJ and I was hoping he would finally step up but he has not played well. He is the key to our success though.


I agree with you for the most part, but if you look at the last 8-10 games of last season (in conference play) CJ was amazing.

That combined with a weak schedule and the SEC being down meant that making the tourney was improbably but nowhere near impossible.
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43456 posts
Posted on 1/7/09 at 10:18 am to
I think CJ's offense looked much better than he has all year last night. His defense needed some help. I was suprised we didn't double down on that guy everytime the ball went in...

Im even more suprised we didn't go to a zone and make them shoot the 3's which they only shoot 30%
Posted by wizziko
New Jersey Nets Fan
Member since Jan 2006
35881 posts
Posted on 1/7/09 at 10:26 am to
It seems like is someone backs down CJ, it's game over. But if is flying around in space, he can be effective
Posted by b rod lsu
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
4881 posts
Posted on 1/7/09 at 10:31 am to
quote:

wizziko


Agreed. I'd love to see him on Utah's roster where he can play alongside Neville and he can play facing a basket a little more.
Posted by Lithium
Member since Dec 2004
61925 posts
Posted on 1/7/09 at 10:34 am to
I'm hoping to make the Tourney but gotta give TJ some time
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