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Posted on 12/10/12 at 9:24 pm to KingRanch
Color me shocked 
Posted on 12/10/12 at 9:25 pm to KingRanch
LadyHawk 
Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:53 am to D Tide
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Looking to my first handgun I'm slightly familiar I might go shoot 1-2 times a years this will be mainly for self defense
Someone else mentioned an exact response to him but I'll also back him up... This is a TERRIBLE idea. I would say once every 2-3 months minimum practice time. You need to have all the motions engrained in your subconscious because it will be doing most of the work when you're pumped full of adrenaline.
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mainly for self defense
Carry or home? There's a big difference.
Carry:
Ruger KLCR (Lightweight Compact Revolver; the K version is .357 magnum)
Ruger SP101 (a friend of mine just bought one; built like a tank)
Or S&W Airweight
Home defense:
Ruger GP100
S&W 686P (7 shot version)
But all in all, you need to hold these before you purchase them. If you want a good semi auto that doesn't feel like you're gripping a 2x4 made of human fecal matter, get a S&W M&P, Ruger SR, or Springfield XD or XDm before you get a shite pot called a Glock. All of you Glock lovers can suck it.
M&P:
SR:
XDm:
Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:55 am to bapple
And just so you don't say "TL;DR" I'll reiterate the most important part of that post:
The gun WILL CHOOSE YOU, not vice versa. Go to a store and hold them and buy what is most comfortable, even if it's some shitty Glock.
Comfort is paramount when buying a handgun. It would suck if your family depended on it and you couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.
Go to a store and hold them. This will also dictate if you get a full sized revolver, compact revolver, subcompact revolver, full sized semi auto, compact semi auto, or subcompact semi auto. Choose wisely.
The gun WILL CHOOSE YOU, not vice versa. Go to a store and hold them and buy what is most comfortable, even if it's some shitty Glock.
Comfort is paramount when buying a handgun. It would suck if your family depended on it and you couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.
Go to a store and hold them. This will also dictate if you get a full sized revolver, compact revolver, subcompact revolver, full sized semi auto, compact semi auto, or subcompact semi auto. Choose wisely.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:00 pm to D Tide
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mainly for self defense
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Carry or home? There's a big difference.
D Tide, That's the FIRST question you need to ask yourself. Once you know that, it will narrow your choices greatly.
If this is for home defense/truck gun (i.e. NOT concealed carry), then I'd suggest a bigger and heavier gun. When shooting a handgun (especially for a relative newbie), size is your friend; bigger and heavier (as long as it's not TOO big or heavy) are generally easier to shoot and handle than are smaller and lighter. For non-concealed carry, get a full size, all steel, 6-8 shot revolver. Buy the best you can afford. Don't get a laser. S&W and Ruger make some great guns. Taurus and Rossi are not junk (I've got both and have been very happy w/ them), but they're not nearly as refined as Ruger and S&W. If a Taurus or Rossi is the best you can afford, then go w/ it. But be sure and check the used market first for a S&W or Ruger.
If you're talking about cc, a light, 5 shot, double action only revolver like the Ruger LCR would be great.
At the range, use BOTH ear plugs and muffs (you can buy a pair of inexpensive Caldwell electronic muffs on sale at www.midwayusa.com for only $24). Practice w/ 38 Special ammo, working your way up to full power 357 Mag rounds as you learn to handle the recoil/muzzle blast. The 357 Magnum is one of the best man-stoppers out there. Finish your research promptly so you can go buy yourself a gun for Christmas and start shooting it!
Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:41 pm to D Tide
Seriously, if you're looking for home defense, skip the .357, and either get a Taurus Judge, or a 12 gauge pump.
If you're dead set on the 357 magnum, Taurus and Rossi will not be the same quality as a Ruger or S&W.
I can't really tell you much else about revolvers, because I've hated every single one I've ever touched except for the Ruger Single Six.
If you're dead set on the 357 magnum, Taurus and Rossi will not be the same quality as a Ruger or S&W.
I can't really tell you much else about revolvers, because I've hated every single one I've ever touched except for the Ruger Single Six.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 2:37 pm to D Tide
If this is your first handgun, I'd definitely recommend staying away from .357. Especially with the shorter barrels, .357 is hard to control for novice shooters. You can easily find a used S&W airweight .38 special for under $500. Load it with +P rounds, and it'll be totally adequate for self defense.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 2:40 pm to wadewilson
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Seriously, if you're looking for home defense
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get a Taurus Judge
Posted on 12/11/12 at 2:45 pm to bapple
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even if it's some shitty Glock.
The problem I have with Glocks is that every one of them seems to shoot thousands and thousands of rounds without cleaning or malfunctioning.
A 1911 on the other hand is worse than a high maintenance wife that doesn't put out when you want her to... if she doesn't get: the fanciest accessories, loved on constantly, tons of encouragement from gunsmiths, lubricants, special magazines, even more special ammo, even more special feed ramps polished and buffed....it may or may not shoot a full mag before hanging up. Even with the aforementioned accessories...it will still hang up. Love me some 1911.
Did I miss anything in particular about the 42oz wonder called the 1911?
This post was edited on 12/11/12 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 12/11/12 at 2:59 pm to BarDTiger81
Sorry?
Something wrong with a .410?
Something wrong with a .410?
Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:09 pm to NimbleCat
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Did I miss anything in particular about the 42oz wonder called the 1911?
My avatar may be a 1911 but I didn't recommend one if you read my whole shpeel.
The reason I dislike Glock isn't because of looks. Here's my reasoning; cons:
Grip is too wide and horribly devoid of "ergonomics" as they are referred
Grip angle is horribly exaggerated and does not point naturally for me or most human beings
Sights are made of plastic out of the box. Seriously?
Sights utilize a "U-Dot" that no other gun uses because it sucks
Serrations aren't nearly aggressive enough and don't work well for me
But I would be a dick not to include the pros:
High capacity in pretty much all calibers
Magazines are cheap
Used Glocks are very affordable
The tennifer coating on the barrels is amazing
They just work
I may be a bit anti-Glock because I hate them so much but regular people fail to notice there are other good handguns on the market that have all of the features a Glock has that make it reliable, while also being ergonomic and made for the human hand. And I'll hold with my 3 recommendations that have these things called "ergonomics." The Glock formula is a simple one - loose tolerances, polymer frame.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:10 pm to bapple
Glocks are solid guns, but they do have kind of a...............cookie cutter feel to them.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:13 pm to wadewilson
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Glocks are solid guns, but they do have kind of a...............cookie cutter feel to them.
The feel is exactly what turns me off to them. I agree.
The 1911 is a gentleman's gun. It's a refined piece of art.But I don't think they fill every single defensive role like some do. They're awesome, but they don't fit every niche. On the other hand, there really is no other feeling like shooting one.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:17 pm to wadewilson
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Something wrong with a .410?
Long running joke here.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:17 pm to bapple
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But I don't think they fill every single defensive role like some do.
Exactly.
My 1911 is probably my favorite gun, but my XDm sits beside my bed and my Hi-Power lives in my car.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:18 pm to BarDTiger81
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Long running joke here.
What, not enough power? I still wouldn't stand in front of one.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:21 pm to wadewilson
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What, not enough power?
Not IMHEO!
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I still wouldn't stand in front of one.
Neither would I!
Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:45 pm to BarDTiger81
No handgun will blow somebody back against the wall like in the movies.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:55 pm to wadewilson
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No handgun will blow somebody back against the wall like in the movies.
bullshite, mine will.
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