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Tomorrow Recreational red snapper season will end in your lifetime
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:06 pm
They are meeting at Beau Rivage now but it is all a scam. They decided this long ago and this is all for show.
1)They will divide the non-commercial sector into two parts one for recreational and the other for charter boats that hold a federal reef permit. (They quit issuing them in 2004 I believe. So if you don't have one you never will) then
2)They will cancel recreational season for all non compliant states. (Everyone) They have already said no season for 2015 and 2016. Then here is the interesting move, since federal permitted reef holders can take snapper in state waters per their permit they will give them a separate season. (already agreed)EDF will ten sue them to stop the Charter Season as not really allowed under The Magnuson Stevens Fisheries sustainability act.
3) then they will move to eliminate recreational fishing in federal waters for Amberjack next, then other reef fisheries then to the pelagic fish like king mackerel tuna and cobia. Within 5 to 10 years there will be no or very limited fishing in federal waters. Whether this is part of agenda 21 or just the same ole council I don't know.
What do we do then? No sure here either but damn if I am taking this shite lying down. If we don't move to protect our rights we will lose them that simple. Be back with a battle plan next week.
1)They will divide the non-commercial sector into two parts one for recreational and the other for charter boats that hold a federal reef permit. (They quit issuing them in 2004 I believe. So if you don't have one you never will) then
2)They will cancel recreational season for all non compliant states. (Everyone) They have already said no season for 2015 and 2016. Then here is the interesting move, since federal permitted reef holders can take snapper in state waters per their permit they will give them a separate season. (already agreed)EDF will ten sue them to stop the Charter Season as not really allowed under The Magnuson Stevens Fisheries sustainability act.
3) then they will move to eliminate recreational fishing in federal waters for Amberjack next, then other reef fisheries then to the pelagic fish like king mackerel tuna and cobia. Within 5 to 10 years there will be no or very limited fishing in federal waters. Whether this is part of agenda 21 or just the same ole council I don't know.
What do we do then? No sure here either but damn if I am taking this shite lying down. If we don't move to protect our rights we will lose them that simple. Be back with a battle plan next week.
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Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:13 pm to TutHillTiger
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Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:14 pm to wickowick
First they came for the snapper fisherman, but I didn't fish for snapper...
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:16 pm to TutHillTiger
It's really sad the attack we are sustaining. All over wanting to go out and bring back a little meat to feed the fam.
The politics of this nation are really disappointing at present.
The politics of this nation are really disappointing at present.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:17 pm to wickowick
Wick this shite pisses me off beyond belief. It makes my snapper fishing buddy red mad and he is a Priest now. If you go to Wlox you can see my buddy Jerry raising hell and getting red in the face at meeting last week. I was way worst but they left after that. This shite is so ridiculous if you wrote it as fiction no on e would believe you.
BTW fishing biting your way?
BTW fishing biting your way?
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:18 pm to TutHillTiger
It's unfortunate that between both natural and environmental disasters, and opposition from our elected officials/feds, Louisiana is looking far less like the "sportsmans paradise" we once had. It's really pathetic to be honest.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:19 pm to TutHillTiger
I am not an offshore fisherman, but it is time to fight. If nothing is done they will take it all...
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:22 pm to TutHillTiger
You suing, bro?
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:25 pm to wickowick
quote:so much awesome.
First they came for the snapper fisherman, but I didn't fish for snapper...
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:29 pm to AlxTgr
You suing, bro?
Waiting to hear back form CCA and other parties. I assume they are waiting on this action.
Waiting to hear back form CCA and other parties. I assume they are waiting on this action.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:31 pm to TutHillTiger
and i dont eat snapper or fish for them much but this will spread like a cancer. EDF was at the public heraing in Gulfport supporting this btw. They sued to start this and they will sue the OBCBFA for sure.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:31 pm to TutHillTiger
I think we will see lots of "regulation" coming from this administration across all the agencies very soon. They have been laying the ground work for the last 6 years...
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:33 pm to wickowick
The regulations need to start from the top....the Oval Office.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:36 pm to PapaPogey
I agree they are not friends but this shite actually started under George Bush Sr (the Wiser) and he was a damn CCA Texas board member. 
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:47 pm to PapaPogey
quote:
It's unfortunate that between both natural and environmental disasters, and opposition from our elected officials/feds, Louisiana is looking far less like the "sportsmans paradise" we once had. It's really pathetic to be honest.
WMAs are starting to be in trouble in some areas. Jackson/Bienville was once 32,000 acres, now 25,000 and soon will no longer be public. Leases are going up, dog hunting no longer allowed on most leases(which I understand many support). It's a fact, unless you have money or family land, hunting will be hard to do in the future.
Nothing to do with OP, just the post about Louisiana becoming less and less a sportsman paradise seems more and more likely.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:49 pm to PapaPogey
No, the vesting clause should be followed, and all law should come directly from Congress.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:58 pm to AlxTgr
We have a response from the council. CaptBengal
Hi!
I'm an oceanographer that works in fisheries. Let's talk.
quote:
Let me give you background red snapper are admittedly not in trouble and everyone but NOAA claims they are more snapper now than anytime in history
this is simply false. Or are you going by people's fishing? Im going by models on population structure based on fisheries catches, environment, and survivorship.
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Due to decline in shrimping which caused about 90% plus of them to be killed, millions in reef building, and decimated of predators like sharks
Shrimping is awful. It should be banned imho. However, these claims on why there would be more snapper now are false. We can go into more detail on each one if you like...
quote:
eliminating from fisherman costing billions of dollars and eliminating thousands of jobs.
You do realize they are trying to protect the industry for future years, right?
quote:
hey will divide the non-commercial sector into two parts one for recreational and the other for charter boats that hold a federal reef permit. (They quit issuing them in 2004 I believe. So if you don't have one you never will) then
This is the plan for all federally manged fisheries.
quote:
They will cancel recreational season for all non compliant states. (Everyone)
No they wont.
quote:
Magnuson Stevens Fisheries sustainability act.
Says nothing about eliminating recreational fisheries.
quote:
then they will move to eliminate recreational fishing in federal waters for Amberjack next, then other reef fisheries then to the pelagic fish like king mackerel tuna and cobia. Within 5 to 10 years there will be no or very limited fishing in federal waters.
They arent trying to "ban" anything. There are thousands of scientists tht fish, just like you and love it! It's the reason most of us got involved with the work in the first place. We have an ever increasing population with an ever increasing demand for protein. Most of that comes from the sea for the global population. At current rates we wont have fisheries capable of sustaining demand in 10 years.
Nobody is out to take away your fishing, we want to make sure your grandkids can go fishing too.
Hi!
I'm an oceanographer that works in fisheries. Let's talk.
quote:
Let me give you background red snapper are admittedly not in trouble and everyone but NOAA claims they are more snapper now than anytime in history
this is simply false. Or are you going by people's fishing? Im going by models on population structure based on fisheries catches, environment, and survivorship.
quote:
Due to decline in shrimping which caused about 90% plus of them to be killed, millions in reef building, and decimated of predators like sharks
Shrimping is awful. It should be banned imho. However, these claims on why there would be more snapper now are false. We can go into more detail on each one if you like...
quote:
eliminating from fisherman costing billions of dollars and eliminating thousands of jobs.
You do realize they are trying to protect the industry for future years, right?
quote:
hey will divide the non-commercial sector into two parts one for recreational and the other for charter boats that hold a federal reef permit. (They quit issuing them in 2004 I believe. So if you don't have one you never will) then
This is the plan for all federally manged fisheries.
quote:
They will cancel recreational season for all non compliant states. (Everyone)
No they wont.
quote:
Magnuson Stevens Fisheries sustainability act.
Says nothing about eliminating recreational fisheries.
quote:
then they will move to eliminate recreational fishing in federal waters for Amberjack next, then other reef fisheries then to the pelagic fish like king mackerel tuna and cobia. Within 5 to 10 years there will be no or very limited fishing in federal waters.
They arent trying to "ban" anything. There are thousands of scientists tht fish, just like you and love it! It's the reason most of us got involved with the work in the first place. We have an ever increasing population with an ever increasing demand for protein. Most of that comes from the sea for the global population. At current rates we wont have fisheries capable of sustaining demand in 10 years.
Nobody is out to take away your fishing, we want to make sure your grandkids can go fishing too.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 7:06 pm to TutHillTiger
Red Snapper Fishery - A Legislator's Case For State Management
POSTED ON AUGUST 20, 2014 BY REPRESENTATIVE HERB FRIERSON, MISSISSIPPI LEGISLATIVE SPORTSMEN'S CAUCUS
As an avid Mississippi Gulf Coast recreational angler, I'm dismayed that we've allowed red snapper management in the Gulf of Mexico to become so convoluted and polarized. Amendment 40, also known as "sector separation," currently before the Gulf Council seeks to drive a wedge between the charter/for-hire and private recreational angler as a solution to the inept federal management of red snapper. Mississippi is the perfect example of where, as the fish get bigger and the quota is reached more quickly, we have fewer days to fish. With virtually no red snapper reefs within Mississippi state waters, our recreational anglers are slowly being squeezed out of the fishery with ridiculously short federal seasons. However, the best solution the Gulf Council can come up with for recreational anglers is to squeeze even more anglers out of the fishery with sector separation? I think not - we can do better than that.
My solution would be to turn red snapper management over to the states. We need to give management of this important recreational and commercial species to agencies that will ensure evidence-based, scientific management for the benefit of all Americans. We can't afford to leave it in the hands of political bureaucrats who dictate which side wins while others lose. The states have proven they can successfully manage recreational fisheries for decades. Spotted seatrout in coastal Mississippi is just one of many examples of successful, state-based management of mixed sector fisheries.
Putting myself in the shoes of the charter/for-hire captain, I would pause to seriously think about what sector-separation means to me and my business before endorsing it as the saving grace. There are always more losers than winners in a catch-share system, which is clearly where this is all headed. Catch shares remind me of musical chairs at the county fair. Each time you go around, there's one less chair and one less person participating until, finally, only one person is left holding the pie. At some point, you're going to be share cropping for someone or some corporation if you hope to fish at all.
I want to be clear - I'm not against commercial or charter/for-hire fishermen. I'm simply against this heavy-handed approach that will only benefit a few while the possibility of finding a real solution to the problem for all anglers and coastal communities slips further and further away. Let the Gulf Council know that we can do better than that during the Biloxi, Mississippi meeting at the Beau Rivage Hotel and Casino on August 27th.
Representative Herb Frierson
Mississippi Legislative Sportsmen's Caucus
He wasnt even the legislator that spoke at the hearing.
POSTED ON AUGUST 20, 2014 BY REPRESENTATIVE HERB FRIERSON, MISSISSIPPI LEGISLATIVE SPORTSMEN'S CAUCUS
As an avid Mississippi Gulf Coast recreational angler, I'm dismayed that we've allowed red snapper management in the Gulf of Mexico to become so convoluted and polarized. Amendment 40, also known as "sector separation," currently before the Gulf Council seeks to drive a wedge between the charter/for-hire and private recreational angler as a solution to the inept federal management of red snapper. Mississippi is the perfect example of where, as the fish get bigger and the quota is reached more quickly, we have fewer days to fish. With virtually no red snapper reefs within Mississippi state waters, our recreational anglers are slowly being squeezed out of the fishery with ridiculously short federal seasons. However, the best solution the Gulf Council can come up with for recreational anglers is to squeeze even more anglers out of the fishery with sector separation? I think not - we can do better than that.
My solution would be to turn red snapper management over to the states. We need to give management of this important recreational and commercial species to agencies that will ensure evidence-based, scientific management for the benefit of all Americans. We can't afford to leave it in the hands of political bureaucrats who dictate which side wins while others lose. The states have proven they can successfully manage recreational fisheries for decades. Spotted seatrout in coastal Mississippi is just one of many examples of successful, state-based management of mixed sector fisheries.
Putting myself in the shoes of the charter/for-hire captain, I would pause to seriously think about what sector-separation means to me and my business before endorsing it as the saving grace. There are always more losers than winners in a catch-share system, which is clearly where this is all headed. Catch shares remind me of musical chairs at the county fair. Each time you go around, there's one less chair and one less person participating until, finally, only one person is left holding the pie. At some point, you're going to be share cropping for someone or some corporation if you hope to fish at all.
I want to be clear - I'm not against commercial or charter/for-hire fishermen. I'm simply against this heavy-handed approach that will only benefit a few while the possibility of finding a real solution to the problem for all anglers and coastal communities slips further and further away. Let the Gulf Council know that we can do better than that during the Biloxi, Mississippi meeting at the Beau Rivage Hotel and Casino on August 27th.
Representative Herb Frierson
Mississippi Legislative Sportsmen's Caucus
He wasnt even the legislator that spoke at the hearing.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 8/27/14 at 7:10 pm to TutHillTiger
I meant that Obama needs regulating for the BS he does rather than some fricking plentiful fish species in the Gulf.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 7:11 pm to TutHillTiger
I'm not really an offshore fisherman, but damnit I'm sick of our rights being trampled on by these faceless/nameless bureaucrats who weren't elected to a damn thing. Can't wait to see what you are organizing, I've been meaning to post our elected officials contact info to fight this, but have been getting sidetracked.
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