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Posted on 6/26/23 at 4:29 pm
Posted by Ppro
natchez
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Posted on 6/26/23 at 4:29 pm
I am in Natchez Ms and I have a sawmill. I also do woodworking (my old man hobby). I have some small cutoffs and scraps. Before I burn them I was wondering if anyone wants this. If you have a container I can put them in it and let you know when it’s full. I have pecan cherry walnut elm cypress hickory. If you’re interested I will give you my email
Posted by Tbooux
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/26/23 at 6:08 pm to
Not really interested in scraps but hit me up, if u sell hardwood boards.

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Posted by gerald65
Moss Bluff, LA
Member since Jul 2020
710 posts
Posted on 6/26/23 at 7:18 pm to
I could burn a small load, but I'm over 3 hours away.

There is a place in east Texas that sells "cut off's" blocks of hard wood. These blocks are good if you are maintaining a big campfire.
Posted by pdubya76
Sw Ms
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 6/26/23 at 9:05 pm to
I’m just above Liberty. I’d be interested in the pecan , hickory, and cherry for smoking wood.
Posted by Contender54
the Enn Oh
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/26/23 at 9:06 pm to
I have no need, but it is really cool of you to make the offer to everyone.
Posted by Ppro
natchez
Member since Dec 2013
416 posts
Posted on 6/26/23 at 9:11 pm to
I have and will have plenty of cherry and pecan. I get hickory and should be able to you some of that also. I am glad this wood may be useful. Ppro1213@gmail.com
This post was edited on 6/26/23 at 9:16 pm
Posted by pdubya76
Sw Ms
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 5:10 am to
Email sent
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:25 am to
quote:

I am in Natchez Ms and I have a sawmill. I also do woodworking (my old man hobby). I have some small cutoffs and scraps. Before I burn them I was wondering if anyone wants this. If you have a container I can put them in it and let you know when it’s full. I have pecan cherry walnut elm cypress hickory. If you’re interested I will give you my email



Probably bundle them and sell them on marketplace or craigslist or ebay. If they'd make pen blanks or even cutting board strips folks will buy them. Im too far away but I'd come get them LOL...always needing an accent or an inlay. Small stuff can be dried pretty quickly in an over or an attic.
Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:34 am to
quote:

even cutting board strips folks will buy them.


This is what I do with my scraps. If it's long enough, I throw it in a bin. Come holiday season, I glue them all up and have a template to cut out a cutting board. I have friends and family who feel like I'm too cheap selling them at $40-50. Little do they know it's just my trash and if I batch it out, it takes very little effort per board.

Anything thinner makes great fire starter material.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:51 am to
quote:

I am in Natchez Ms and I have a sawmill. I also do woodworking (my old man hobby). I have some small cutoffs and scraps. Before I burn them I was wondering if anyone wants this. If you have a container I can put them in it and let you know when it’s full. I have pecan cherry walnut elm cypress hickory. If you’re interested I will give you my email


Not to derail the thread but I have a mill close to me (portable) that has a LOT of cypress, SYP, red oak, hickory and white oak. They have one portable on a trailer and another set up permanently and they are, for all outward appearances, pretty successful at what they do. There is not a kiln in our area...so the stack and sticker it and cover it but in our area it takes a couple of years sometimes to get it even close to dry enough to use. They told me recently that they usually sold it way before it had air dried because they weren't in the business of selling air dried lumber of course. I have a place in my yard that would be IDEAL for a solar kiln. They sell their stuff pretty cheap...I have thought about buying it in bulk, putting it in my solar kiln (if I built one of course LOL) and selling dried lumber. I know red oak will lose a substantial amount due to checking and what not but from what I can find white oak, hickory and cypress is not as bad. Do you have any insight into solar kilns? Do they actually work? I have read that on average, in the humidity of the south, a solar kiln can dry 450 - 600 BF of one inch lumber in 6-10 weeks. That sounds really quick to me. If it is close to accurate though at $2.80 a BF for green white oak at $7 dried it would pay for the kiln in one shot.
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
15142 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:49 pm to
I'm in N.O. and have a friend that teaches shop and art at NOCCA (New Orleans Center for Creative Arts) and his students have used scraps of cypress from my home shop to use to make art projects, carvings, etc.

If there is a school similar to NOCCA in your area, perhaps they could use some for their students if such a program exists.
Posted by Ppro
natchez
Member since Dec 2013
416 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:12 pm to
I have a small home made kiln. Fans dehumidifiers and a heater that I can load around 1000 bd feet. I air dry till I get to 20-26%. Then in the kiln for 2-3 weeks and bring it to 8-12%. It’s insulated with 3 inch walk-in cooler insulation. Oak in general likes to cup,bow,& twist. If you can get your oak quartersawn it will be much more stable and especially white oak more valuable. I have some quartersawn white oak and sycamore and it is some of my favorite wood. Spalted wood is also very desirable if you can get solid and not punky wood.
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 5:23 pm
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 6/28/23 at 7:37 am to
quote:

I have a small home made kiln. Fans dehumidifiers and a heater that I can load around 1000 bd feet. I air dry till I get to 20-26%. Then in the kiln for 2-3 weeks and bring it to 8-12%. It’s insulated with 3 inch walk-in cooler insulation. Oak in general likes to cup,bow,& twist. If you can get your oak quartersawn it will be much more stable and especially white oak more valuable. I have some quartersawn white oak and sycamore and it is some of my favorite wood. Spalted wood is also very desirable if you can get solid and not punky wood.


I assume your in Louisiana with the humidity...when done properly how long does white oak take to air dry to 20-26%? My area would generally be less humid most likely but not by much...

The affordability of portable saw mills has significantly increased the number or small sawyers but drying capacity doesn't seem to be keeping up. Someone with the land who could do solar kilns on a scale could probably make a little cash. I know in my area it is almost impossible to find dried hardwood...lots of green hardwood sawyers about but many hobbyist or even serious wood workers do not have the capacity to air dry a lot of lumber.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 6/28/23 at 7:46 am to
Some interesting reading about solar kilns...

Virginia Tech Model

With some careful planning and upscaling of the exterior even someone in a HOA could probably get by with one of this in the backyard...
Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
1659 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 8:10 am to
quote:

get your oak quartersawn it will be much more stable and especially white oak more valuable


In my humble opinion, there's no reason to have flat sawn white oak. Quarter, or better yet Rift sawn is beautiful.
Posted by Ppro
natchez
Member since Dec 2013
416 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 8:57 am to
6-10 months of air drying normally gets 5/4 (1&1/4 inch) wood in the mid 20’s dry. I am in south Mississippi which is the same weather as south Louisiana. Air circulation and having a covered area is the most important factors in getting air drying maximized. I agree that flat sawn white or red oak has little appeal for furniture or other crafting but the effort to cut quarter sawn on a non hydraulic mill takes effort. I have an Alaskan mill for my chainsaw that I cut a few slabs. I am cutting a cherry log with a crotch right now. Widest part is 54 inches and narrowest is 20 inches. 11 feet long. I am going to make epoxy table tops. The chainsaw has a 72 inch bar and is stihls largest saw 125cc model 881
Posted by Ppro
natchez
Member since Dec 2013
416 posts
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:12 am to
I have looked into solar kilns and I think they are a viable option for drying. Properly placed stickers and air circulation can help maximize these kilns
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 6/29/23 at 6:43 am to
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In my humble opinion, there's no reason to have flat sawn white oak. Quarter, or better yet Rift sawn is beautiful.


I have never owned a mill but it looks like quarter sewing on a bandsaw mill is a lot of work. It does produce some nice lumber though. I don't know that I have ever seen any quarter sewn red oak. I have been told that red oak is terrible when drying becuase of the losses to twisting and splitting. Does red oak do better during the drying process when it is quartersewn?
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 6/29/23 at 6:54 am to
quote:

6-10 months of air drying normally gets 5/4 (1&1/4 inch) wood in the mid 20’s dry. I am in south Mississippi which is the same weather as south Louisiana. Air circulation and having a covered area is the most important factors in getting air drying maximized. I agree that flat sawn white or red oak has little appeal for furniture or other crafting but the effort to cut quarter sawn on a non hydraulic mill takes effort. I have an Alaskan mill for my chainsaw that I cut a few slabs. I am cutting a cherry log with a crotch right now. Widest part is 54 inches and narrowest is 20 inches. 11 feet long. I am going to make epoxy table tops. The chainsaw has a 72 inch bar and is stihls largest saw 125cc model 881


That cherry will be a work of art and will fetch a fortune if you sell it as slabs and a kings ransom if you sell epoxy table tops...folks are ate up with paying a fortune for an epoxy table. I don't blame them, they are gorgeous when done right.

Do you air dry on concrete or gravel with a vapor barrier? Most of the mills I buy from are air drying on dirt. I know it's kind of like Jerry Clower and time being of little concern to a hog but it seems like concrete or gravel, both with a vapor barrier, would speed up the process substantially. 6-10 months really isn't that long considering the humidity in your area. I have built projects with wood with higher moisture contents and allowing for movement in joinery makes some difference...but I don't know what 50 years of being in a AC space will do to it...

I have read some research lately that suggests that wood that is dried to 10% or so will equalize to nearly the relative humidity in the space it is in...so in an AC home it would be around 40% or so. I have always thought that working it at 10% or so and then putting it in 40% humidity seemed a little bit of a stretch but I do not know...I know it all moves all the time, but the amount is actually surprisingly small.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 6/29/23 at 7:04 am to
quote:

I have looked into solar kilns and I think they are a viable option for drying. Properly placed stickers and air circulation can help maximize these kilns


I suspect there is a pretty steep learning curve to do it as efficiently as possible. Apparently high heat for long periods is not ideal...which is counterintuitive to me...and too much or too little airflow can impact drying...and then there is the sweet spot where it dries as fast as possible without as much twisting and checking and splitting...

I dried some Cuban Mahogany in the oven once and it turned out nice but it is notorious for being easy to mill, dry and work. I got it down to about 30% and made a humidor with spanish cedar lining and it has stayed as tight as drum. The cedar as glued to the mahogany so that may have stablelized it even further...
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