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Pistol powder for small rifle cartridges
Posted on 3/8/21 at 12:16 am
Posted on 3/8/21 at 12:16 am
Had a convo with a buddy today and we were debating whether a fast burning powder made for pistols (rated for 9mm/45 ACP) could load in a small rifle cartridge like 223 or 7.62.
Can it even be done in a true SHTF situation or is the powder too fast and too explosive for a larger casing?
Can it even be done in a true SHTF situation or is the powder too fast and too explosive for a larger casing?
Posted on 3/8/21 at 4:42 am to Jack Ruby
In an AR or AK? No, they won't make the pressure/volume curve. And you may grenade a rifle, maybe if you had some magnum powder like AA9 you could jury rig a load. Definitely not with 9mm powders.
Posted on 3/8/21 at 8:15 am to Jack Ruby
For 223, look at James Calhoon website and start with his articles "To Bee or 223, That is the Question" and there is a second "revisited" page. With Blue Dot and 800x there is a lot of data out there, but he was one of the first. You can essentially produce 22LR, 22 magnum, all the way to full power loads.
Posted on 3/8/21 at 10:05 am to Jack Ruby
Fast pistol powder can be used in straight walled cartridges like the 45-70 etc. the pressure spike in small bottle necked cartridges can be catastrophic. I’ve heard of plinking loads in larger bottle necked cartridges (30-06) with powders like red dot. Proceed with caution!
Posted on 3/8/21 at 11:08 am to Jack Ruby
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Can it even be done in a true SHTF situation
Im sure it could be done, if you have a controlled environment and alot of disposable firearms to test with.
My advice, Don't!!! Either wait for the powder to come back in stock or pay the price to get the right powder now. Don't go experimenting with explosives.
Posted on 3/8/21 at 12:51 pm to Jack Ruby
Doesn't seem like the best idea.
Posted on 3/8/21 at 3:40 pm to Jack Ruby
For cast bullet velocities it can be done with some rounds.
Posted on 3/8/21 at 8:47 pm to Jack Ruby
Depends on what you want to do. As Laduckkiller says, there's a history of usage w/ a few pistol powders in producing rifle reduced velocity loads. When my son started deer hunting, I worked up a reduced recoil load using Blue Dot. He killed 7-8 deer w/ it. It used a 125 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip at 2400 fps in a 308 Savage bolt action. Many years ago my hunting/handloading buddy and I were working up squib loads for his 308. Using a VERY small charge of Bullseye, he managed to get a bullet stud part way down the barrel of his 308 rifle. I won't repeat what the gunsmith said, but we never tried that again. OTOH, I've worked up 22 LR velocity loads in a 308 using IMR 700X and cast bullets. It was very accurate at close ranges, 25 yds or so. You had to use the "thick to thin" transition point of the lower vertical cross hair as the aiming point. There's been a lot of work w/ reduced loads using IMR 4759, as well. The IMR 4759 load for my 270 ran 2300 fps. Lead bullets are traditionally suggested. I read there were concerns that if a copper jacketed bullet was used, the copper jacket might get separated from the lead core, resulting in the jacket getting stuck in the bore. The reduced velocity loads probably wouldn't cycle a semi-auto. Using pistol powders in rifles can be done, but it is best reserved for an experienced bandleader. Proceed w/ caution.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 7:32 pm to Jack Ruby
I run both Accurate #9 and H110 in my .300BLK. No problems from each and both of those are pistol powders and the case is somewhat bottle necked. There is not a hard rule. I also use Longshot in my .40 which is a shotgun powder, so there is that also
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