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Posted on 4/7/14 at 11:55 pm to bluemoons
Very few areas are incredibly lucrative, so you might as well do what you want.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:04 am to SabiDojo
That's generally how I feel about my future with law. My grandpa died when I was young, but one of the few things I remember him saying all the time was "if you spend your life chasing a dollar, you'll always be behind it."
LA has a big problem with brain drain, and it sucks to me that so many people who are in a position to do something about the problems this state has (i.e. environmental) leave to go work elsewhere. It's tough with the constant negativity surrounding law school and the profession in general. If I had a dollar for every time I heard I wasn't going to get a job, I was going to work 100 hour weeks (wut?), I was going to hate my life, etc., then I would have enough in the bank to live on until I was 80.
I've worked in enough fields to know that EVERY job has its drawbacks...even being a fishing guide. But, my brain works this way and I'm pretty passionate about Louisiana, so hopefully it'll work out. Funny thing about law school finals time is all these thoughts about whether you chose the right path pop up, and conversations like this spring from them haha.
LA has a big problem with brain drain, and it sucks to me that so many people who are in a position to do something about the problems this state has (i.e. environmental) leave to go work elsewhere. It's tough with the constant negativity surrounding law school and the profession in general. If I had a dollar for every time I heard I wasn't going to get a job, I was going to work 100 hour weeks (wut?), I was going to hate my life, etc., then I would have enough in the bank to live on until I was 80.
I've worked in enough fields to know that EVERY job has its drawbacks...even being a fishing guide. But, my brain works this way and I'm pretty passionate about Louisiana, so hopefully it'll work out. Funny thing about law school finals time is all these thoughts about whether you chose the right path pop up, and conversations like this spring from them haha.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:06 am to bootlegger
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Man, every time I hear about one of you studying....just makes me remember how much I do NOT miss college
Actual libraries, card catalogs, hand written drafts finished on a typewriter. Hell yeah, that sucked.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:07 am to bluemoons
I enjoy the practice, but the profession is being ruined by law schools and bar associations.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:09 am to RogerTheShrubber
Shoot, I miss school. I want to go to B-school, but I honestly don't know if it will provide me with the skills I need to make the jump out of the legal sector.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:10 am to SabiDojo
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I enjoy the practice, but the profession is being ruined by law schools and bar associations.
What do you mean?
The latter I definitely agree with. The former I'm curious if your reasoning is in line with mine.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:12 am to SabiDojo
There are things I liked about it, but I was married and working full time both times I went to school. Second time I had two kids. Enjoyed learning, but don't miss the projects, reports, tests and the like. Last time I was in school the internet was still relatively new and wasn't accepted as a source.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:12 am to bluemoons
Tell the naysayers there's never too many good lawyers. Truth.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:14 am to SabiDojo
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I want to go to B-school, but I honestly don't know if it will provide me with the skills I need to make the jump out of the legal sector.
Business? My girlfriend is in LSU MBA right now. She's finishing her second year. From things she's told me/being around her all the time, it seems really just like 2 years of learning how to network. I feel like the marginal returns from MBA school in relation to age diminish pretty heavily. She just got a great job offer today in NOLA...which is great because I (we) planned on moving back to the northshore after I graduate. But, she got the job through a girl she knew. Don't get me wrong - her grades are great and she's an awesome, likable girl that a firm really would be stupid not to hire - but she could've probably gotten the same job without MBA school just because she knew the girl beforehand.
She was also offered a job with E&Y in Houston, but turned it down because she wanted to stay in this area of LA and didn't want to work 60 hour weeks.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:17 am to SabiDojo
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Shoot, I miss school. I want to go to B-school, but I honestly don't know if it will provide me with the skills I need to make the jump out of the legal sector.
I think half the people I know who went to law school are heliskiing guides, or mountain guides. One still practicing is still putting the final touches on his 4 million dollar renovation project. Looks like a freaking castle and is next door to the govs. mansion.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:18 am to RogerTheShrubber
In the meantime, me = 
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:20 am to bluemoons
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Business? My girlfriend is in LSU MBA right now. She's finishing her second year. From things she's told me/being around her all the time, it seems really just like 2 years of learning how to network. I feel like the marginal returns from MBA school in relation to age diminish pretty heavily. She just got a great job offer today in NOLA...which is great because I (we) planned on moving back to the northshore after I graduate. But, she got the job through a girl she knew. Don't get me wrong - her grades are great and she's an awesome, likable girl that a firm really would be stupid not to hire - but she could've probably gotten the same job without MBA school just because she knew the girl beforehand.
My older brother has an MBA from LSU. He's also a CPA, and is a comptroller for a casino. Does fairly well for himself.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:22 am to bluemoons
Law schools have really lost sight of what matters, and that is making competent lawyers. Today, all that matters to them is your ranking and job placement. Why is this a problem? You have students dodging hard classes to maintain a strong gpa and CSO pit you against your classmates. If you truly believe in your institution, then your students' competition isn't their fellow classmates, it's the students of other schools. Encourage them to take hard classes, to challenge themselves. Instead, they're graduating kids at younger ages every year whose hardest course in law school was probably "Law of Hip Hop" or "Sports Law".
Combine all of that with the fact that law schools are increasing enrollment to offset budget cuts in an increasingly oversaturated job market, and it's obvious why the profession has suffered greatly.
Combine all of that with the fact that law schools are increasing enrollment to offset budget cuts in an increasingly oversaturated job market, and it's obvious why the profession has suffered greatly.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:26 am to RogerTheShrubber
Well, the reason why I'm thinking about it is because I want freedom. Could I practice law in Oregon? Sure, but I'd have to apply to the State Bar, pay money, take an attorney's exam, fill out a character and fitness report, maintain my licenses in other states, and on and on and on. It's exhausting.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:35 am to SabiDojo
I know a few guys who went to law school who are doing quite well in other areas, such as business. Honestly think of all the professional positions, I know more folks who stopped practicing law than any other profession. It does open a lot of doors though.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
I enjoy practicing. I'm making good money, and I make my own hours. I just want to make a drastic change. I can feel it in my bones.
Dammit, I want to move out west.
Dammit, I want to move out west.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:41 am to SabiDojo
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Law schools have really lost sight of what matters, and that is making competent lawyers. Today, all that matters to them is your ranking and job placement. Why is this a problem? You have students dodging hard classes to maintain a strong gpa and CSO pit you against your classmates. If you truly believe in your institution, then your students' competition isn't their fellow classmates, it's the students of other schools. Encourage them to take hard classes, to challenge themselves. Instead, they're graduating kids at younger ages every year whose hardest course in law school was probably "Law of Hip Hop" or "Sports Law".
I agree 100%.
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:42 am to bluemoons
Don't get jaded, my friend. We need more guys like you.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:44 am to SabiDojo
I'll try my best. 
And not to get too metaphysical, but what does that teach? You go to law school and your school hammers into your head that the only thing that matters is being "better" than the guy next to you. Forget about future referrals, friendships, or generally just being a good person. All that matters is your GPA.
I hate that about law school more than anything else.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 12:45 am
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