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re: Miss River Flood Thread 2016, river back on the rise again.......

Posted on 12/31/15 at 9:58 am to
Posted by GREENHEAD22
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 9:58 am to
They need to blow everything south of BellChase but thats for another day.
Posted by Voorhies7
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 10:14 am to
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I find it curious that New Orleans gets to 17 (flood stage) on 1/9 and stays there for weeks. Is that because it will be maintained at 17 by spillway openings, or is that where the model tops out? The levees are supposed to be 20'.





This is the 2nd or 3rd (open to debate) - 500 year flood in the last 23 years. Most of the river surveys are 40-60 years old. The farmers in the Fore Bay were in the process of trying to get the corp to do new surveys when this started. The Mississippi valley has changed a lot in the last 60 years. It is time for new surveys.

If my memory is correct some of the surveys are 80 years old.
This post was edited on 12/31/15 at 10:18 am
Posted by jimbeam
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 10:24 am to
Always figured that'd be a job for a terrorist




I'm joking NSA.....
Posted by Voorhies7
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 10:25 am to
All of that kind of talk is why I'm not posting on the thread on the OT
This post was edited on 12/31/15 at 10:29 am
Posted by GREENHEAD22
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 10:32 am to
You seem to know a good bit about this so do not think that would be beneficial to help with the coastal erosion of the SE marshes?
Posted by Voorhies7
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 10:35 am to
You talking about if everything blows out?
Posted by LSUJuice
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 10:38 am to
Were there any positive sedimentation effects after the 2011 opening?
Posted by ihometiger
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 10:40 am to
We actually want those levees to fail up North as it will allow for a slower rise down south. It will also lower the height of the water for some of the cities up North too.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 10:41 am to
No, this is sort of quick thread hijack. Would it not be beneficial to remove the levees south of Bell Chase from a strictly helping with coastal erosion standpoint. Nothing to do with the high river right now.

I know that levees failing with the high river and the river possibly changing course are very bad things.
This post was edited on 12/31/15 at 10:42 am
Posted by ihometiger
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 10:45 am to
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No, this is sort of quick thread hijack. Would it not be beneficial to remove the levees south of Bell Chase from a strictly helping with coastal erosion standpoint. Nothing to do with the high river right now.


Yes it would be beneficial to helping re-sediment the marshes but not to the deepwater draft shipping vessels who need the bottom scour to keep the river navigable. .
Posted by 34venture
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 10:45 am to
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I wish the Red had a spillway.




It does. It's called avoyelles parish.
Posted by Voorhies7
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 10:46 am to
I can't answer that with facts. I would think there are probably some positive effects, but many negative effects also. Only way continued positive effects become the norm is if the Mississippi is allowed to free flow & flood yearly. That would turn Louisiana into Alabama/Mississippi (only one semi-major port).
Posted by ihometiger
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 10:51 am to
DATE ARSA4 GEEM6 VCKM6 NTZM6 RRLL1 BTRL1 DONL1 RRVL1 NORL1
01-09-16 46.5 56.0 48.1 53.7 56.0 38.4 27.4 24.0 17.0
01-10-16 47.3 57.4 49.3 54.4 56.5 38.8 27.8 24.0 17.0
01-11-16 47.8 58.6 50.6 55.3 57.2 39.3 28.2 24.0 17.0
01-12-16 48.0 59.3 51.8 56.5 58.1 40.0 28.6 24.0 17.0
01-13-16 48.0 59.7 52.9 57.6 59.2 40.8 29.2 24.0 17.0
01-14-16 47.6 60.0 53.5 58.6 60.2 41.7 29.9 23.9 17.0
01-15-16 46.9 59.9 53.9 59.3 61.2 42.6 30.6 24.0 17.0
01-16-16 45.8 59.5 54.0 59.8 61.8 43.3 31.2 24.0 17.0
01-17-16 44.6 58.9 53.9 60.0 62.3 43.7 31.6 24.0 17.0
01-18-16 43.4 57.9 53.6 60.0 62.5 44.0 31.9 24.0 17.0
01-19-16 42.0 56.8 53.1 59.9 62.5 44.0 32.0 24.0 17.0
01-20-16 40.5 55.8 52.2 59.5 62.5 44.0 32.0 24.0 17.0
01-21-16 39.0 54.6 51.3 58.9 62.0 43.8 32.0 24.0 17.0
01-22-16 37.5 53.3 50.4 58.1 61.4 43.5 31.7 24.0 17.0
01-23-16 36.1 52.0 49.3 57.3 60.7 42.9 31.3 24.0 17.0
01-24-16 34.7 50.7 48.2 56.4 59.9 42.2 30.9 24.0 17.0
01-25-16 33.4 49.5 47.1 55.5 59.1 41.6 30.4 24.0 17.0
01-26-16 32.1 48.3 45.9 54.5 58.2 40.9 29.8 24.0 17.0
01-27-16 30.7 47.1 44.9 53.5 57.3 40.1 29.3 24.0 17.0

For those of you counting that is saying that the levees in New Orleans will be at 17 feet for AT LEAST 18 days. This is a significant amount of pressure on our levees. There are some real problem issues with the levees on the west-side of the Mississippi River within a 100 miles of New Orleans that have been leaking underneath the levee for years.
This post was edited on 12/31/15 at 10:54 am
Posted by GREENHEAD22
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 10:51 am to
Or just move everything to where Morgan City was, I know, a lot easier said than done but look what the Chinese have done with their whole country in the past 20 years. Granted its mostly all shoddy as hell but still, business would get it done, to much money not to.


Te smart thing would actually probable start planning for it and let it switch some years down the road. It is inevitably going to happen anyway.
This post was edited on 12/31/15 at 11:02 am
Posted by Voorhies7
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 10:55 am to
If we don't the Mississippi will. Might be this year. Might be is 100 years. New Orleans continues to sink & we continue to lose coast line. Worst case scenario- Mississippi blows out. Salt water comes in & we get hit with a major hurricane this summer. The gulf is warm.
Posted by ihometiger
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 10:56 am to
I wonder how much water the underwater River is pumping out into the Gulf right. Absolutely crazy that there is a river under the river which pumps out freshwater into the Gulf.
Posted by ihometiger
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 11:02 am to
Errett says the Corps is already preparing for flooding in the New Orleans area.

Coast Guard Closing 76 mile stretch of Miss River
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 11:03 am to
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It does. It's called avoyelles parish.

Will the Little Riverites be packing up their appliances this time?
Posted by GREENHEAD22
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 11:04 am to
Huh, river under the river? What is this you speak of? I fancy myself a decently informed person and have never heard of this.
Posted by Voorhies7
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Posted on 12/31/15 at 11:05 am to
I've gotten stuck in the tunica hills halfway down a 200ft hill when it hasn't rained in a month & a half. Front end sunk to the frame. Water shelfs rise & fail like the river. It is amazing.
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