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How to determine if property is wetlands?

Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:34 pm
Posted by gsvar2004
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:34 pm
How do you know if land is considered wetlands. I found a piece of property I am interested in, it was clear cut about 25 years Ago but has grown up and had nothing done to it since. There is no current address, and the agent isn't sure. Is there anyway I can find out? She hasn't put signs out on this property but id bet dollars to donuts it sells the moment she does.
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:36 pm to
Wetland delineation via a trustworthy environmental consultant. I'd recommend C-K in BR.

Can also check USFWS National Wetlands Inventory Map to get a maybe. NRCS Web Spil Survey will tell if soils are hydric or not but the soil survey won't necessarily tell you if wet. The delineation will tell you if it's wet or not based on USACE/EPA guidelines.
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 10:42 pm
Posted by gsvar2004
Member since Nov 2007
7954 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:45 pm to
So if you are interested in a property they will check it out for you before the close?
Posted by Big_country346
Member since Jul 2013
3622 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:46 pm to
Catch it on a day when it hadn't rained for a few days. Walk across the property.

Did you lose a boot or get wet feet?

No- good. Buy that shite before she puts the sign up.

Yes- frick that shite. Wetlands baw.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:49 pm to
I've always understood it's if the area retains water naturally all the time except for periods of extended or extreme drought
Posted by tenfoe
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Posted on 3/15/17 at 10:56 pm to
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Posted by TimeOutdoors
AK
Member since Sep 2014
12123 posts
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:18 pm to
A consultant is going to be your best option. Do you have access to the property? Most consultants use plant life to determine wetlands. I don't know that area well, but in Florida I always used saw palmetto as a key indicator I was in the transition area between wetland to uplands. It's kind of an art, one palmetto might not mean much but if you get in an area with several you know your probable on the edge of what would be considered a wetland. Also if you can get access to infrared aerials the wetland areas will generally stand out.
Posted by The Last Coco
On the water
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Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:29 pm to
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C-K in BR

^this
Posted by Hammertime
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:50 pm to
Call NRCS and get them to check a map for you, or go here, click "start wss", and find the property

Those are quick ways to check before getting a consultant out there. They check for presence of present or past water, look at the soil type, and check out vegetation to determine if it is a wetland or not. If it doesn't hold water, the soil is the main qualifier.
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So if you are interested in a property they will check it out for you before the close?
Believe it or not, almost all of the continental US has been walked and soil samples have been taken pretty much everywhere. That data was written down and NRCS has these big paper maps in the local offices. Those maps were recently put into the Web Soil Survey. It really is amazing to think that a couple of good ol baws walked around the entire country and dug holes every couple of yards
This post was edited on 3/15/17 at 11:58 pm
Posted by gsvar2004
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 5:34 am to
Sent
Posted by NorthEnd
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/16/17 at 6:11 am to
If you have palmettos you have wetlands.
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
13905 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 6:48 am to
You would need to engage the consultant during you due diligence, or ask the seller if they've had a delineation done.
This post was edited on 3/16/17 at 6:50 am
Posted by tacotiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2007
991 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 7:17 am to
these maps are great. there is a lot of info out there to get an idea about the property. But ultimately get it confirmed by a consultant. Because if you make a mistake and affect delineated wetlands the Corps will come a knockin.
Posted by Tom Selleck
Member since Jan 2010
670 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 8:08 am to
Go to local NRCS office. They can tell you for free and in a few minutes.
Posted by tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
6847 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 8:33 am to
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Go to local NRCS office. They can tell you for free and in a few minutes.


NRCS is one of the "good" federal agencies, but a lot of people have been cited for taking their advice regarding the presence/absence of wetlands.
Posted by gsvar2004
Member since Nov 2007
7954 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 8:42 am to
quote:

if they've had a delineation done


the agent said they did 25 years ago. but she was unsure the current state of the property
Posted by lsufan112001
sportsmans paradise
Member since Oct 2006
10705 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 8:43 am to
I agree. NRCS is also hard to run down and actually get them to contact/work with you.

Also inquire with the local neighbor's. They may have gotten a delineation themselves for their property.

Tenfoe should be able to guide u thru this. I wouldn't get a consultant just yet. You don't need one to get a Corps permit, you can wing it as a mom and pop type applicant. The Corps can do the delineation, but it'll take them quite a few months to get to it.

Factor in mitigation costs and show that to the seller as a bargaining chip before buying.
This post was edited on 3/16/17 at 8:48 am
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 8:58 am to
We went to a NRCS office on a field trip, and those guys seemed more than enthusiastic about their job and helping people. I'm not sure, but I think it was in Hammond
Posted by Huntinguy
Member since Mar 2011
1752 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:08 am to
Get it checked out, but you can go ahead and make your offer on the property, just make it contingent upon the determination.

IF its accepted, it'll hold the property for you until you find out for sure.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20478 posts
Posted on 3/16/17 at 9:37 am to
quote:


Get it checked out, but you can go ahead and make your offer on the property, just make it contingent upon the determination.


100% this. If you are serious about it, make an offer asap contingent upon it not being wetlands. Then work diligently to get it checked out.

I don't know how other states work, but Florida has flood maps and I'm almost positive they are federal maps and the flood maps mark the wetlands areas and the different elevations. These are all online to access by anyone.

Is the entire lot the same elevation? A lot that big even if it's wetlands may have some rises where you could build for example.
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