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re: Anybody here in the cattle business?

Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:33 pm to
Posted by Soup Sammich
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:33 pm to
That's what I do if they have to be nose to nose. But this bull pen isn't quit big enough for all these. Usually has 2 mature bulls at the most I'm it.
Posted by Soup Sammich
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:39 pm to
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What breed are we talking about?


Balancers mostly.

Eta: Showing my inexperience but I think 10 are Ultrabacks.
This post was edited on 7/20/17 at 9:47 pm
Posted by Sparetime
Lookin down at La
Member since Sep 2014
908 posts
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:48 pm to
You sound like you have 80 going on yearling calves that need weaning to me. If so break the place up into 3 sections, one field to rotate or plant in rye grass. If it's a 100 acres of pasture you are in good shape until next spring.

Your rich guy's operation sounds very similar to the one I know. If so, you strung out far and wide.
Posted by Geauxtiga
No man's land
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:52 pm to
Had never heard that term before.
Posted by Soup Sammich
Member since Aug 2015
3301 posts
Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:02 pm to
quote:

Your rich guy's operation sounds very similar to the one I know. If so, you strung out far and wide.


I gave small incorrect details to try and throw off people that might know who I am and who I work for. Wouldn't want him to see anything I put on here about this. But I'm pretty sure the rich guy operation you are talking about is the same one. It is a strung out operation.
Posted by pointdog33
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:14 pm to
There's a lot of guys in the midwest, west not so much in the south that deal with these composites that are a little of this, a little of that, then they call it a breed.

Balancers - gelbvieh/angus
Ultrablack are sometimes called angus plus, so their angus with a touch of brahman
Maintainers - maine anjou and angus
LimFlex - limousine and angus
Simangus - simmental angus

Basically they're trying to get growth characteristics of the continentals with carcass quality of the british.
Posted by Sparetime
Lookin down at La
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:15 pm to
Not saying it's the right answer but what I did with all my replacement heifer calves: Buy a truck load of cheap mill feed ( cotton seed, bean, and corn). Call em up in the pen twice a day, after all are in shut the gates and feed em a couple wheel barrows while walking through em. Key is shut the gate so they have to be around you and each other, after a month they should be gentle around you and with themselves. That high dollar pellet stuff is for feeder cattle type daily gain numbers, you want to stock em out healthy enough to shine for a cow calf producer. I would be more likely to buy gentle well built cattle for my operation, rather than a bunch of fat pigs running through the cross fences. I never bid on a fat bull, never will.

Posted by Geauxtiga
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:17 pm to
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The problem is I'm left in the dark on his plans.
I can understand your frustration here. I could not and would not be in business with a partner and not have goals. They can always be amended but HAVE to be present.

It's not a cow/calf operation, more of a feedlot scenario, as someone stated earlier, right?

If those bulls are of weaning age you may need a bloodless castrator unless you cut the sack and yank the nuts out. Going to stress them more though. I would not plan to sell them too soon after castrating cause they will lose wt, initially.

Here's a bloodless castestor for larger bulls with scrotums that won't fit in those tiny bands.
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Posted by Sparetime
Lookin down at La
Member since Sep 2014
908 posts
Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:24 pm to
Have run many Cow Creek bulls through our herd, you should do fine especially around the area you are.

We were the second producer in our area to try CC bulls when roencheck(?) brought some down to show. I would not be worried about people finding out about your bulls, plenty CC bulls left around you. I think we've bought/sold beef with your boss before, been on the places in both states too.
Posted by Sparetime
Lookin down at La
Member since Sep 2014
908 posts
Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:33 pm to
Ultra Black is trademarked line of Brangus cattle by Cow Creek Ranch out of AL. Not a recognized cross breed by any association even though it is recognized as a cross in commercial operations.

Brangus is what is known as brahman/Angus.

Posted by lsufan112001
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Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:48 pm to
"A cow is nothing but a bunch of trouble tied up in a leather bag"
John Wayne
Posted by Swampman
North La.
Member since Feb 2016
238 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 8:43 am to
If money, feed and grass is no object then the sky is the limit. You can make cattle as good as you want them. Hope you have a veterinarian on staff for his input. Operation more than likely a good tax write off for owner.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/21/17 at 9:36 am to
quote:

Where is clyde tipton in this thread?


I've been busy catching cows and hanging out at the Longview, TX sale barn the past two days.

As to the OP, you need to start cutting nuts like crazy if these bulls aren't going to be breeders.

Steers will gain more weight and be less aggressive.
Posted by Soup Sammich
Member since Aug 2015
3301 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 9:42 am to
It is definitely a write off here. But I would feel a lot more comfortable if what I'm responsible doesn't end up as a significant loss. No vet on staff. I'm the staff plus one person I just convinced to pretty much consult me with the cattle end. In fact, yesterday evening I had to pen up one of the heifers and give her a shot.
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