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Advice / Opinions desired - amount of land needed for private gun range

Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:03 am
Posted by nopants
Luling, La
Member since Aug 2006
886 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:03 am
In the OB's opinion, how much land would you need and how far out of a town or incorporated area would you need to be in order to construct your own gun range safely and legally (in Louisiana)? Something like Jerry Miculek has on his videos.

Is it 10 acres, 100 acres, 1000?

Assuming maximum of 300-400 yards for the rifle setup (not looking to try and make mile long shots, not that I'm even close to capable of such)and standard 25yd or so handgun ranges.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
11291 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:06 am to
my BIL has one for sighting in the deer rifles. He's on 8 acres. If we shoot more than 5 or 6 times the cops show up. Freakin Karens.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:17 am to
You need to be far away from someone who would call the cops on you. At least a mile or so, preferably more. Buy wisely or be prepared to know the local authorities on a first name basis (not that that’s bad)
Posted by nopants
Luling, La
Member since Aug 2006
886 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:32 am to
This was my major concern, I certainly want to abide by all applicable laws and what not - but the main reason I want it on private land is so I don't have to deal with the Karen brigade, worry about range hours / policies etc.

Also, want the ability to actually shoot "things" like various steels, water jugs, tannerite etc which would obviously be a no-go at a commercial range.

I have no problem interacting with the local sheriff, police etc as necessary.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
11291 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 10:39 am to
quote:

I have no problem interacting with the local sheriff, police etc as necessary.


In this case there is some obscure Lafayette parish ordinance that doesn't allow firearm discharge within a certain distance (i think it was 500 yards) from a building/dwelling. the cops show up, chat with us, say it would help them out if we didn't shoot as much, and leave.
Posted by Itismemc
LA
Member since Nov 2008
4718 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 11:30 am to
You can legally hunt in our town on your property.

Dove season is fun.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 12:03 pm to
From a safety standpoint, you only need enough room to fit your range and a required safety margin. For an indoor range, that's the outside of the building because it's built to contain stray shots. For outdoor ranges, this is where things get subject to interpretation and your tolerance for risk (and relationship with your neighbors). If your berms are properly constructed (you ARE going to put properly constructed berms on three sides if you're planning on doing things much outside putting a target up on a frame that you can't move around, right?), you need no more room in a perfect world because you're not going to be doing stupid shite like firing over the berms. The world ain't perfect, though, and I'd have more room past the berms; the more room you have beyond the range on all sides, the better. Negligent discharges DO happen. You can kind of do a check on how much distance you'd need by getting yourself a ballistics calculator and finding out how far from your firing position the rounds you're going to be firing retain enough energy to kill. You can still maim someone at that range, though, so you'll probably also want to do the math to figure out how far they'll go before hitting the ground if you lob one over the berms.

Legally, you need to check local, parish, and state laws to make sure there's no restriction on distance from other structures (you know, in case you do something stupid like fire over the berms).

The longest of those three numbers is a good starting point and those numbers probably will get pretty big because a rifle round can travel a long ways and still hurt someone if you fire into the air.

Then, all you have to do is to train the cops that show up that they need to hammer Karen on frivolous reports because you're following the law and are being safe. Luckily, where I shoot rifles is in the middle of rice fields, so everyone out there just has built up a portion of one of their levees in the back yard to be a berm with a fixed frame in front of it to shoot into and zero rifles. The fields behind the houses are something like 2 miles across and you can just look out and see if anyone's working out there. Usually, its like dogs barking in a neighborhood. One guy starts shooting and pretty soon, everyone's out there banging out rounds.
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 12:24 pm
Posted by mrgreenpants
paisaland
Member since Mar 2018
1421 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 12:05 pm to
in texas i believe you need 10+ acres..
..or have an arrangement with neighboors
Posted by nopants
Luling, La
Member since Aug 2006
886 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 12:46 pm to
Exactly the kind of response I was looking for, thanks.

And yes, while this is still in the "wishing" phase I definitely plan to have proper berms constructed.
Posted by rasczak
Member since Feb 2013
41 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:51 pm to
It looks like you're talking about occasional, personal use, so I'm in the same boat as you. I plan to look at the NRA range design guide in hopes the limitation of liability for noise from shooting ranges is economically feasible.

La. R.S. 30:2053 defines shooting range as "(8) "Sport shooting range" or "range" means an area designed and operated primarily for: persons using or discharging rifles, shotguns, pistols, revolvers, or black powder weapons; archery; air rifles; silhouettes; skeet ranges; trap ranges; or any other similar sport shooting, if such area is designed and constructed in accordance with the then current publication of the National Rifle Association of America, or its successor, entitled "The Range Manual"."

La. R.S. 30:2055.1 (thanks to Gov. Foster) gives anyone who operates or uses a shooting range meeting that definition some limited legal protection from noise liability suits.
Posted by nopants
Luling, La
Member since Aug 2006
886 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:59 pm to
quote:

occasional, personal use


exactly, would be nice if the land had other uses - hunting camp, water access, just retreat from civilization etc - but the primary purpose is just to get to spend more time practicing on the range when its convenient for myself and immediate family.

Thanks for the link
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

exactly, would be nice if the land had other uses - hunting camp, water access, just retreat from civilization etc - but the primary purpose is just to get to spend more time practicing on the range when its convenient for myself and immediate family.

Thanks for the link

That's exactly what my uncle did with the piece of land we shoot on. It's like five miles from his home and it's about 50 yards wide, but 800 yards long with the aforementioned two mile stretch of rice fields on one end and the road at the other. He got it dirt cheap because it's too narrow and skinny to live on and it's the lowest land in the area so it floods everytime it sprinkles. The previous owner couldn't wait to sell it. So, he bought the property and dug himself a little pond out there and stocked it with some bluegills and bass and used the dirt from the pond as the cap when he built up his shooting berms (He's got 100, 300, and 500 yard lanes). He built himself a little camp up on piles next to his pond and has himself a little man property near his house where he can go to do his thing and keep his wife happy because it's not right in their backyard. The family owns some hardwood bottoms about a half mile from his camp that we shoot deer on, so it makes a handy home base when we hunt out there and gives us a place to dress out animals and dispose of the unusable parts away from everyone's house.
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 2:35 pm
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
166246 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 2:46 pm to
I'd think 5 acres would be minimum by time you factor in parking etc.
Posted by nopants
Luling, La
Member since Aug 2006
886 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 3:54 pm to
I am officially jealous of your uncle's setup
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
27940 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 4:14 pm to
A Square shape acre is 210'x210', so you'd need to be at least 6 acres deep on a 300 yard range, to make room for your berms, bench area, parking and everything. Width would depend on how many lanes you want, and what kind of side berms to have. I would think 18 acres would be a minimum, if you could find it in the perfect shape plot. That would be kind of hard probably.

Buying a used up dirt pit, might be an idea too.
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 4:47 pm
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
5595 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:47 pm to
Join a hunting camp and use the club range. Cheaper that way.
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