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re: WSJ Market Watch Opinion: If Iraqi oil goes off line, $200 oil is next

Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:21 pm to
Posted by deNYEd
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:21 pm to
Well sir I'm an oil man
Posted by Jones
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:22 pm to
Mighty strong words
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:22 pm to
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This seems like an article that's intended to be shocking and dramatic enough to sell subscriptions and generate website hits.

It is.

Who would read it if the headline said "Nothing changes if ISIS takes over Iraqi oil"?
Posted by tgrbaitn08
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:22 pm to
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Lolwut? I worked at a small service company and it added about $600k to our annual budget. This was a company of 60 employees. You don't think that extrapolated over the entire industry is going to raise prices?



nope, not on a global scale and national gas prices.


Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:23 pm to
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that not going to make that much of an effect on the price at the pump


How so? Not as big an impact as taxes, I'll grant you, but all costs of doing business are passed on to the customers at the pump, and all these little things do add up.
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:24 pm to
Nice
Posted by The Boat
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:24 pm to
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Surely you don't deny that gasoline was about $1.80 when Obama was inaugurated and is about $3.60 now, do you?

Gas was so much less at the end of 2008 and beginning of 2009 because the economy was in the tank. I like when people make the cheap 2008 gas point like it was wasn't that cheap because of bad circumstances.
Posted by OLDBEACHCOMBER
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:27 pm to
Even though they are holding Iran's oil sales back.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:29 pm to
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I like when people make the cheap 2008 gas point like it was wasn't that cheap because of bad circumstances.


Fine, well it's not expensive now due to a booming economy - it is a continued failure of the current administration's foolish, pie-in-the-sky policies regarding green sources and a punitive attitude towards fossil fuel.

Frankly, the only reason gas isn't $6 an hour, based on current policies, is the expansion of fracking over the past decade. New wells in the gulf are not being drilled like in the past. ANWR is apparently off limits forever. The libs stalled the Keystone pipeline so long, the oil is now going to China - and I could go on and on.

But, just wait until coal is no longer cost effective for electricity - solar and wind are decades (if ever) from even making a dent in our gross demand for electricity - nuke was hobbled in the 80s and never fully recovered. So, what's left? Oil and natural gas.

When those become our majority power source, replacing all those coal-fired plants we have now, you'll be glad to go back in time to pay $5 or $6 for gasoline.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:30 pm to
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nope, not on a global scale and national gas prices.




So adding what probably amounted to hundreds of billions of dollars in safety budgets, along with shutting down exploration in the Gulf for over a year, a slow permitting process, and no Keystone have no effect in gas prices domestically. Got it
Posted by tgrbaitn08
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:30 pm to
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but all costs of doing business are passed on to the customers at the pump, and all these little things do add up.



thats just it, its the cost of doing business. Cant say that it's all directly the result of the oil spill and the new safety regulations imposed by the administration.

Posted by tgrbaitn08
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:31 pm to
read the post right above yours and there lies your answer
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:32 pm to
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thats just it, its the cost of doing business. Cant say that it's all directly the result of the oil spill and the new safety regulations imposed by the administration.


That sentence is contradictory.

The cost of doing business is a direct result of new safety regulations.
Posted by deNYEd
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:33 pm to
This is exactly how I feel. It's just fricking plain ignorant to say it has "little to no affect"
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:33 pm to
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So adding what probably amounted to hundreds of billions of dollars in safety budgets, along with shutting down exploration in the Gulf for over a year, a slow permitting process, and no Keystone have no effect in gas prices domestically. Got it



answer me this then.

Why are US natural gas prices so low?
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:34 pm to
I didn't say there weren't other factors which cause gas prices to rise. But there is now a built in premium to cover the costs of compliance. Do you think these companies just absorbed the costs to save us?
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:34 pm to
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The cost of doing business is a direct result of new safety regulations.



true, but what I'm saying is that it's not making that much of an impact on the price of oil on a global scale
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:36 pm to
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I didn't say there weren't other factors which cause gas prices to rise.


well you said

quote:

His safety regulations didn't cause every oilfield related company to add billions collectively to their budget? Companies that weren't even a party to the spill? Who do you think ended up picking up the tab for that?



and didnt offer any other factors
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:36 pm to
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Why are US natural gas prices so low?


Fracking has increased the supply. While not a new process, technological advances over the past 15 to 20 years have made the process much more cost effective. And it recovers far more gas from depleted wells than it does oil.

Greater supply generally means lower prices.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
35373 posts
Posted on 6/18/14 at 12:38 pm to
Sorry, didn't know I had to break it down for you that much.



NG is cheap because it is not really a global trade like oil is. Most countries produce their own NG.


It's also cheap because the demand isn't that great from consumers yet.
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