re: Would you be bothered if you learned your son/daughter didn't stand for the pledge?

I am a vet.

Hell yes I would want to know. Other people’s kids can do what they want/ what their parents want; that’s not my cross to carry. I feel bad for the OP.

Seriously, some of y’all are downright embarrassing. I can’t stand a lot of what is happening in our country, and it makes me sick to my stomach to see. With that said there is no way I am giving up on my country, my morals, or my beliefs. Throwing up your hands and just saying ’frick it’ is not an option for success. Just because things are not what we/I want doesn’t mean you give up. WTF kind of example are you setting for your kids when you do that?

Instead of rolling over because things suck ask yourself “what am I doing to change this?” Find something, even if it only affects a few folk, to show them this country and our way of life is worth fighting for. Show them what is right with this country, and how folk are working to right the wrongs that we see daily. We are more than the sum of some shithead politicians in this country. For almost 250 years men and women have stepped up against external and internal forces who want to take that away. Don’t give up on this place. Work to make it better, and then keep working until it is right.

Yes. Sitting/kneeling whatever makes you look like a snob that wants attention imo.

Ok, until proven wrong I’ll stick with this. Lots of experience in this realm.

Wow, something in common

Agreed, pledge to God numero uno.

I think the freedom to express yourself is way more important than following group think.

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Yes. Sitting/kneeling whatever makes you look like a snob that wants attention imo.

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I don't disagree. Go along to get along and all that.

But that wasn't what was asked, now was it? What was asked is

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Would you be bothered if you learned your son/daughter didn't stand for the pledge?

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Absolutely not. I would be glad they aren't reciting socialist, statist, leftist pledges.

This forum, like all others, has a hard time keeping up with the central theme of a thread due to groupthink. On subjects like this, a, "small government conservative" agrees with a Marxist that pledging to their government is a good thing. The only difference is the former is too blinded by nostalgia and the way things used to be to realize that government hates them far worse because the Marxists are captured already. They beg and plead for the police state while they rage against the police, but that's good because it diverts their attention away from the state who actually oppresses them. That's a democrat distilled down to their most basic, festering, pitiful form, and the state you pledge allegiance to nowadays loves it.

Throughout this thread I've seen pearl clutching, virtue signaling with talk of the flag and disrespecting soldiers for not uttering a pledge that is socialist in its origin, and to a government that has now morphed into the socialist monster that the author of the pledge thought he wanted, but if you ask the people who actually served, the percentage of virtue signaling is far less prevalent: they know firsthand how little of a shite the federal government you proudly pledge allegiance to loves its soldiers and citizens. It's why the antistate and government condemnation ideology is so prevalent in veterans with online audiences.

Overwhelmingly, the citizens of this country will fight for the homeland, but what a terrible idea: ostracize the young sons and daughters of this country if they don't pledge allegiance to Washington DC. Look where that got us.

Never. Not ever. Live free, or die.

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Would you be bothered if you learned your son/daughter didn't stand for the pledge?

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They shouldn't be forced to say the pledge in the first place - standing or no standing.

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once again funding endless wars, taxing it's citizens to fund a better way of life for non-citizens in this country than some citizens have, run by kangaroo courts that allow for political persecution and rendering verdicts without an opportunity for the defendants to defend themselves..... I really could keep going.

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That's all just in the last 30 years?

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To say the students have a right to make their own decision, is assine. Middle school kids are too immature to form any type of reasonable opinion on anything.

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Which is ironic given your evident preference for forcing them to recite a pledge of fealty to a political sovereignty. You think they're mature enough to do that?

A bunch of dudes up in here saying “hell no” but those same idiots pledged to “boycott” the NFL when the players kneeled.

I would hang foot in my kids arse. Just because its a right, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

My public elementary school, run by a bunch of conservative Protestant teachers, often told us how the Russians brainwashed their children. Then, with no thought of the irony, they had us say the pledge of allegiance and sing patriotic songs each morning, then pray before lunch. Gideons passed out New Testaments in class a time or two as well. They pretty much ignored all the Supreme Court decisions on religion in public schools.

Their brainwashing tactics didn’t work on me. If anything, they had the opposite of the intended effect.

So if you want to snatch kids up and make them say a pledge to a flag, don’t be surprised if it doesn’t work out like you hoped.