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With technology out there today, why are estranged husbands still able to kill?
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:25 am
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:25 am
This is infuriating to me and I imagine many others.
I brought this up after the 2014 murders in Lakeway Cove. Driving by there in the days after it was very heart-wrenching.
How the hell are these men getting to these women?
Estranged Wife Murdered in Geismar last Sunday
Estranged Wife AND son murdered in Gonzales 2014
There are systems in place to thwart these psycho fricks. This is not something, in my opinion, that can't be prevented like people view mass random shootings. They know exactly who's stalking them, who's been COURT-ORDERED to stay away. But it happens damn near every day in this country. A man with a restraining order against him, kills the woman(usually) who filed it.
GPS monitoring alert system
I brought this up after the 2014 murders in Lakeway Cove. Driving by there in the days after it was very heart-wrenching.
How the hell are these men getting to these women?
Estranged Wife Murdered in Geismar last Sunday
Estranged Wife AND son murdered in Gonzales 2014
There are systems in place to thwart these psycho fricks. This is not something, in my opinion, that can't be prevented like people view mass random shootings. They know exactly who's stalking them, who's been COURT-ORDERED to stay away. But it happens damn near every day in this country. A man with a restraining order against him, kills the woman(usually) who filed it.
GPS monitoring alert system
This post was edited on 8/11/15 at 8:26 am
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:30 am to mikelbr
But using GPS technology to track someone who is deemed to be a stalker will open up so many more cans of worms.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:31 am to mikelbr
Technology probably works to protect the women and help the men find the women.
Its a two way street.
ETA:
Estranged wives in 1950 weren't posting their weekend plans on facebook, their beach playlists on spotify, and their tits on snapchat. Just a little digging and you can find out where people are.
Its a two way street.
ETA:
Estranged wives in 1950 weren't posting their weekend plans on facebook, their beach playlists on spotify, and their tits on snapchat. Just a little digging and you can find out where people are.
This post was edited on 8/11/15 at 8:33 am
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:35 am to mikelbr
There's not much you can do when a psycho dickhead jumps your backyard fence, smashes through your backdoor, and grabs a baseball bat. It all probably happened faster than they could really react. Gun or no gun. Her son tried protecting her and got his arm shattered in the process. I personally knew the victim in this latest case and I can guarantee you all she ran in the back yard to get him away from her son. I can just see her telling her two sons to go run next door so she could be killed instead of them. She raised them right and loved them more than anything in this world. It's such a shame this happened to such a great lady. She was genuinely a great person and this world lost one of the good ones Sunday night.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:36 am to TheCaterpillar
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Its a two way street.
No doubt. In most of these cases, the bad guy has done SOMETHING concrete prior to the murder that would distinguish himself from 'angry ex' to 'potential threat'. She had reported him following her, hiding out, etc.
I know it wouldn't be fair to just slap a tracker on any man who's got a restraining order against him. But COME ON MANNNN! Common sense would save lives.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:37 am to TDsngumbo
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There's not much you can do when a psycho dickhead jumps your backyard fence, smashes through your backdoor, and grabs a baseball bat. It all probably happened faster than they could really react. Gun or no gun.
There are systems that would have given her at least a few minutes warning. When he got within 500 feet of home, she would be alerted as would the system monitors. Don't know about you but 3-5 minutes would make a HELLUVA difference in most home-invasion type murders.
There should be a panel or something that determines propensity for violence based on evaluation and any prior incidents. You don't like it, prove she's a lying bitch/wear the gps/sit in jail.
I've had two exes frick me right in the butt with no lube. Sane men don't get restraining orders put on them by sane women.
This post was edited on 8/11/15 at 8:40 am
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:39 am to mikelbr
TBH, the electronic monitoring can only help when the aggressive spouse is not entirely aggressive/crazy. When they are ready to stalk to kill, they have already given up on the idea that they are going to "get away with it". Those guys will just cut it off and do what they want to do.
Electronic monitoring requires more than just the equipment to be effective. It needs a person to monitor the system and the aggressive spouse. That person (officer) needs to be properly trained and paid and supervised. In short, it takes a lot of money to cover the sheer number of domestic violence offenders that are in society.
Electronic monitoring requires more than just the equipment to be effective. It needs a person to monitor the system and the aggressive spouse. That person (officer) needs to be properly trained and paid and supervised. In short, it takes a lot of money to cover the sheer number of domestic violence offenders that are in society.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:40 am to mikelbr
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There are systems that would have given her at least a few minutes warning. When he got within 500 feet of home, she would be alerted as would the system monitors. IDK about you but 3-5 minutes would make a HELLUVA difference in most home-invasion type murders.
That makes sense but I think you're assuming he was slow and methodical in his approach to her home. He had rage building up for years, especially the last few months. That bubble popped Sunday night and he was probably more committed to doing it than ever before. I'm sure the entire event occurred in a matter of a minute or two. He went there knowing what he was going to do, I'm sure he ran and did everything he did very fast. Not every time will someone have 3-5 minutes warning.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:40 am to mikelbr
Have you ever seen Minority Report?
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:41 am to mikelbr
Maybe we could have one of those deals like in the movie Fortress. Where if you get too near a certain zone an implant blows up.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:41 am to Jimbeaux
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Electronic monitoring requires more than just the equipment to be effective. It needs a person to monitor the system and the aggressive spouse. That person (officer) needs to be properly trained and paid and supervised. In short, it takes a lot of money to cover the sheer number of domestic violence offenders that are in society.
But these systems are in place in other municipalities. I don't have a 100% solution. Just sick of seeing this happen so often. Estranged wives, AND kids getting killed when the dude snaps.
I guess the scenario would go like this: man goes crazy. gets as close as possible without alerting anyone. Cuts the thing off and goes kamikazee to kill and die himself.
That would be really hard to stop. But hey I'm just an IT guy. Someone smarter than me should come up with SOMETHING. 5 years ago!
This post was edited on 8/11/15 at 8:42 am
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:42 am to mikelbr
Here is the problem, like it or not. Divorce lawyers have latched on to Protective Orders as something to use for leverage in negotiations and child custody hearings. Ask someon who has had one filed against them some time. Consequently, Judges see these every day and they don't recognize the ones that are legit from the other 90% that are BS. So no one takes them serious until after the fact.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:44 am to jbgleason
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Here is the problem, like it or not. Divorce lawyers have latched on to Protective Orders as something to use for leverage in negotiations and child custody hearings. Ask someon who has had one filed against them some time. Consequently, Judges see these every day and they don't recognize the ones that are legit from the other 90% that are BS. So no one takes them serious until after the fact.
Right. I remember when Green killed his wife and son, someone brought this up. Not sure if it was you. Has to be a way to sift through the crazy bitch vs psycho husband. It's a tough one obviously or there'd be something in place already. But letting these women die after they place restraining orders is almost pathetic and criminal in itself.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:44 am to TDsngumbo
Yes, it's unfortunate, but there is no way that electronic monitoring would have helped at that moment, in that situation.
Now, that's not saying that if it had been in place for a while before that, to keep the guy away before he went homocidal, in conjunction with anger management, that it wouldn't have been a useful or even vital tool.
Now, that's not saying that if it had been in place for a while before that, to keep the guy away before he went homocidal, in conjunction with anger management, that it wouldn't have been a useful or even vital tool.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:45 am to Pectus
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Have you ever seen Minority Report?
Yes. And to be quite honest. I wish that system, or something similar, was in place. I mean minus the frick ups and false accusations.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:47 am to Jimbeaux
He was an ex EBRPSO. Could that have had something to do with the courts not taking the TRO seriously enough?
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:47 am to mikelbr
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Yes. And to be quite honest. I wish that system, or something similar, was in place. I mean minus the frick ups and false accusations.
Understandably...but the thing is you are not giving the person the benefit of the doubt. You are telling yourself that they will do something if you start tracking them.
The question is do you believe people are inherently good or evil, deserve a second shot, etc. By doing this, you are already determining that they are bad and will fail.
That's not progressive.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:47 am to TDsngumbo
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I personally knew the victim in this latest case and I can guarantee you all she ran in the back yard to get him away from her son. I can just see her telling her two sons to go run next door so she could be killed instead of them. She raised them right and loved them more than anything in this world. It's such a shame this happened to such a great lady. She was genuinely a great person and this world lost one of the good ones Sunday night.
I can back this up. My wife used to work with her. Lovely, lovely human being. How in the hell does a person like her get associated with somebody capable of such disgusting, heinous actions like this? I'll never understand it.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:49 am to Red Stick Tigress
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He was an ex EBRPSO. Could that have had something to do with the courts not taking the TRO seriously enough?
I saw that. And he was a PTA for Pinnacle(owned by Amedisys right?). Probably not deemed a threat. But if things like the Walmart stalking and the hiding behind a fence were reported, why wasn't something done.
Something needs to happen. It seems like the whole country is just passive about this like arms up "oh well nothing can stop a crazy man if he wants to kill his estranged wife and kids."
Posted on 8/11/15 at 8:49 am to TDsngumbo
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There's not much you can do when a psycho dickhead jumps your backyard fence, smashes through your backdoor, and grabs a baseball bat. It all probably happened faster than they could really react. Gun or no gun. Her son tried protecting her and got his arm shattered in the process. I personally knew the victim in this latest case and I can guarantee you all she ran in the back yard to get him away from her son. I can just see her telling her two sons to go run next door so she could be killed instead of them. She raised them right and loved them more than anything in this world. It's such a shame this happened to such a great lady. She was genuinely a great person and this world lost one of the good ones Sunday night
Wow. I'm so sorry.
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